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so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that. in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >>
so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose...
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>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court evidence they'll but using but they are going to take different parts of the timeline, the prosecutors, to show how the story shifted, which in essence is another way that you know was a cover-up. because he had the original thing and they covered it up and then in a sense they started covering up the cover-up. and then trump lawyer rudy giuliani basically went on live tv and changed the story and admitted or said trump did repay cohen. >> they funneled it through a law firm. funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know, he didn't? there is no campaign finan
>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court...
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it was michael cohen. right? the reason you have these falsified business records allegedly is because he wanted to have some invoice. you wanted to have some way of getting his money back, having paints or made, daniel's that's where you had the allegations of invoices for a false retainer and false legal services provided. so this is all part of the overall context to shou. this has happened before. someone else has gotten nancy this time it was cohen and this is what happen when you did not pay back and you falsified so it is i mean, we've heard the argument being made by some people that on the politics of this dana bash this is not going to have an impact. >> you have both democrats who are convinced of donald trump's invincibility and republicans who are convinced that this is all going to be seen as a partisan and which aren't thinking this is not going to have an effect, but there are also those who say reminding people of all this lurid behavior is not going to be positive for donald trump one way or the
it was michael cohen. right? the reason you have these falsified business records allegedly is because he wanted to have some invoice. you wanted to have some way of getting his money back, having paints or made, daniel's that's where you had the allegations of invoices for a false retainer and false legal services provided. so this is all part of the overall context to shou. this has happened before. someone else has gotten nancy this time it was cohen and this is what happen when you did not...
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michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the defense has a chance to argue to him, but there was one moment as this got underway gym where trump's attorneys came into the room that prosecutors came into the room. judge, took the bench and then those attorneys and the judge went into a side room. it's not clear to us yet what they were discussing, but trump was sitting alone at the defense table while that was happening. they have now returned to the room and they are going through this essentially asking the judge to find a way to make trump's stop violating this g
michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the...
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let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> jill, they're going to try to impeach michael cohen, but cohen i'm sure has more of that. he's on the phone with him saying i need to do the thing i'm accused of doing. >> not only that. one, he's pled guilty. two, they have done a very skillful opening statement. and by calling david pecker as the first witness, they are building the structure that will then lead to the supporting beams and the det
let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up...
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that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up that according to cohen and we're oh, and will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing down his neck. very closely following the karen mcdougal. >> he talked about how he would sit with trump
that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in...
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cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears of trump's 2016 campaign. pecker would notify cohen if women selling negative stories about trump emerged with pecker woodpecker anticipated would happen. cohen would then try to find a way to kill the story of a lot of damaging testimony from this friend of but both politically and legally politically. again, if this breakthrough out there, the competition, the election is going to be decided by nikki haley voters, for example, or suburban swing voters, for example and just trump's relationship with a tabloid, buying these kind of stories. that's not going to sell very well with them. so that'll be part of
cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears...
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard about text messages that went back and forthwith the "national enquirer" when they went out to see karen mcdougal, one of the women who had a relationship with donald trump. they were trying to confirm if the story was true. there was an election night, a pledge that went back and for the between one of the lawyers involved that was representing karen mcdougal. we'll see a lot of that come through. and david pecker was not on the stand for very long. but just hearing the details that we got, the idea that they would, if a story, reporters were given about $10,000 to
michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard...
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michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are already in unprecedented territory here. but that's not the most important point. the federal case, michael cohen coming clean, saying what happened. that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of yuck don't let the kids read the news anymore. it left in its wake one legitimately baffling question. which was, wait now, who is getting in trouble for this now? who is the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen? really? he is going to federal prison for years and he is the only one? why is he the only one? you kn
michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run some companies. they say mr. trump's pitbull that in his um, his right-hand man when trump's campaign lit up co-insurance karpin does tie. you guys are down and it makes sense that there would most of them, all of them and trump return the favor, michael cohen is a very talented lawyer, is a good lawyer in my firm as claims of improper hush money emerged, trump initially included cohen and his denials of any wrongdoing, like with this crazy stormy daniels deal hey represented me and, you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong when headlines warned that cohen might help prosecutors. >>
michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run...
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i've seen, including mike conversations with michael cohen. he has been very carefully and precisely accurate in what he said. >> interesting david pecker testified today that trump was very detailed, oriented. he said one time trump's office, trump was given invoices and checks to sign and pecker, quote notice that he referring to trump review the invoice and looked at the check and he would sign them. how key is that testimony you think david to proving these charges against trump? >> well, trump's insistence is i had nothing to do with this. >> michael cohen, he's the one who went and did this deal and the fact that there are the audio recordings that were made by michael cohen and menn pecker's testimony. pecker is not been charged with any crime he has immunity so long as he tells the truth, he will not be charged with any crime so he has a great deal of weight to the documents and the audio recordings david, you've covered trump extensively over these many, many years and you say he's not a strong internal person what sort of impact coul
i've seen, including mike conversations with michael cohen. he has been very carefully and precisely accurate in what he said. >> interesting david pecker testified today that trump was very detailed, oriented. he said one time trump's office, trump was given invoices and checks to sign and pecker, quote notice that he referring to trump review the invoice and looked at the check and he would sign them. how key is that testimony you think david to proving these charges against trump?...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they...
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even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of paying his longtime lawyer that involved $35,000.00 checks he signed in the oval office and it was all a coincidence and not of it had anything to do with the election. maybe. we will see. we are going to talk tonight about what prosecutors said about how they came up with the payment plan to michael cohen. personally, i unintentionally loudly started in court when i heard this, which was not at all polite. it annoyed the person sitting next to me. i will apologize and explain. we will talk about that. we will talk about the first witness, whose name is packer because the news guns l
even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start...
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that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everythin
that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i...
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cohen, if you listen to the defense's opening argument, you would have thought michael cohen was the person on trial. why is he so central to the case? >> he is the central figure to this case. none of this would have happened if michael cohen robert mueller hadn't spoken years ago. it's the reason it's coming to fruition because michael cohen at one point has said in the past he would take a bullet for donald trump. he described himself as donald trump's pit bull that pit bull has flipped on donald trump. if michael cohen had never said anything to prosecutors years ago, none of this would have ever happened. this was donald trump's fixer, byron. this was the guy that when the situations like this would happen, michael cohen would make them go away. it's all because of him that donald trump's in court. >> in laymen's convicted liar. this guy has lied a lot but you can believe him here. >> they owned it in opening statements. we know michael cohen has gone to jail. we know he did this. he know he has lived for donald trump. but here is the thing. it still happened. he still did it. a
cohen, if you listen to the defense's opening argument, you would have thought michael cohen was the person on trial. why is he so central to the case? >> he is the central figure to this case. none of this would have happened if michael cohen robert mueller hadn't spoken years ago. it's the reason it's coming to fruition because michael cohen at one point has said in the past he would take a bullet for donald trump. he described himself as donald trump's pit bull that pit bull has...
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but you no, michael cohen responded the same. you have michael cohen one talking about the same columns, same points that trump cannot. in the presidential campaign, there's no reason michael cohen should have been part of the protection in my view. >> sandra: waiting on the gag order with the punch could be put at what are your expectations on that front? >> i think the judge will find him in violation of the gag order and will find him. he could in theory send him to jail but i don't think he will for a number of reasons mainly it would be political suicide. clearly this judge cares a lot about politics given his donations to joe biden and the stop republicans group in the past and everything about this hasn't screamed political but he knows it would make a martyr out of donald trump so i would be shocked if he went there and have the effect of tearing the country apart so i would be surprised if he went forward with that but i will expect him in some capacity. >> john: let's not forget if donald trump goes to jail his entire s
but you no, michael cohen responded the same. you have michael cohen one talking about the same columns, same points that trump cannot. in the presidential campaign, there's no reason michael cohen should have been part of the protection in my view. >> sandra: waiting on the gag order with the punch could be put at what are your expectations on that front? >> i think the judge will find him in violation of the gag order and will find him. he could in theory send him to jail but i...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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cohen because michael cohen is out there tweeting constantly. there is nothing donald trump is going to say in any of these interviews, short of saying, hey michael, when you testify, we're going to kill you short of saying that he's not going to say anything that's going to intimidate michael cohen or in any way affect these proceedings. so i do think that there's an argument to be made that especially when michael cohen is out there, kind of inviting this through his own commentary that it is too broad. now, i don't think this judge is going to necessarily sit there and say, oh, you know what, you're right, you violated this order. and now i see that it's been too broad, so okay. i'm just going to pull the order back. then. i'm going to happen now. it's it's good maybe for an appeal but if the judge is going to put them straight into rikers island i don't think that the appeals court is going to deal with it quickly enough for the idea of what a punishment could possibly be. and again, we're waiting to hear what the judge actually is going to
cohen because michael cohen is out there tweeting constantly. there is nothing donald trump is going to say in any of these interviews, short of saying, hey michael, when you testify, we're going to kill you short of saying that he's not going to say anything that's going to intimidate michael cohen or in any way affect these proceedings. so i do think that there's an argument to be made that especially when michael cohen is out there, kind of inviting this through his own commentary that it is...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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he'd call michael cohen and asked michael cohen what to do. and michael cohen according to david pecker and will hear the cross-examine and what michael cohen has to say about this. but he would say well, let me call the boss and see what he wants to do with the karen mcdougal story with it? other stories. >> what do you want to do about this? >> ironically, this is the kind of scandal that the national enquirer, one of exposed in almost any other scenario. the enquirer had a history for all its flaws, for all of its faults of reporting on politicians on both sides of the aisle. for exposing scandals and controversies and polit politicians. >> words they didn't in this. >> example but instead pecker because he was go ahead, are long relationship with trump and saw a benefit to that enquirer decided to pick a horse, right aside to get in line with trump and create a pro-trump propaganda outlet, which is really what the enquirer was. but he's never fessed up to this until today in court it's not just that part. i mean, if it were just that, then
he'd call michael cohen and asked michael cohen what to do. and michael cohen according to david pecker and will hear the cross-examine and what michael cohen has to say about this. but he would say well, let me call the boss and see what he wants to do with the karen mcdougal story with it? other stories. >> what do you want to do about this? >> ironically, this is the kind of scandal that the national enquirer, one of exposed in almost any other scenario. the enquirer had a...
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and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion practice that happened that this indictment survived because a lot of people want to say there's nothing here. there's no there there. donald trump whipping out like a toddler, look at all of my friends saying there's no crime here. well, jonathan turley is not the gold standard for that. so what happened is when you heard the testimony through pecker that there was a conspiracy, and the conspiracy existed with the defendant and michael cohen, and now david pecker, and you heard that the purpose of all of these catch and kill were to insure ther
and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion...
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cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the okay. what's the crime? okay. so fine. there they're working hand-in-hand to have some influence on an election. here's, we've been here for an hour, right? here's what i would like to know. i still don't exactly know what the secondary crime is. we heard that there's this misdemeanor that only lives because the statute of past only lives if there's a felony. my friends says that it's state election law. the professor says it's tax law many other people say it's federal election law. it is. and that's why this case has to be very upset. and if it was barack obama sitting there with the same charges
cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the...
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so, michael cohen is going to bleed believable. he took a three-year jail sentence for this alleged scheme. trump is saying it's an alleged scheme. michael cohen was saying it happened so they could have tackled the beast because trump is going to come out and say immediately, michael, mike trump's lawyers. and when michael cohen gets on the stand& cross examination, you're a liar. you're a convicted liar. you've lied over and over again. the de needs to have michael cohen say what she will it's part of his testimony. i may have lied at other times, but i'm not lying here because i pled guilty to doing this. i didn't even go to trial. that's why is that? >> that's the one point i would make to that is i think they strategically in my view, avoided that and i think they were to read seasons that they did that excellent point you make and i get it, but i think they were in that room fighting. >> should we should we i think the first reason is you don't want to put over reliance upon his testimony. yes, he's the elephant in the room,
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and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended this catch and kill for the campaign. it was to attack political opponents. it was for david -- and this is clearly where it's going. david was asked how we operated and orchestrated the catch and kill schemes. over $10,000 that editors had to ask him if they could spend that kind of money on sources and try to get stories. he will narrate the entirety of the relationship between trump and him and the national enquirer and that's why it makes them important. >> the prosecution is hoping he will be that narrator, neal? >> absolutely. i think the aim of the prosecution and
and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended...
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michael cohen this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case, plus russia's new it girl, stink television. now fawning over marjorie taylor greene even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are saying tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie, and melania trump now selling more jewelry. is it to help her husband pay his legal fees? >> let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. we begin with trump's trials spilling out of the courtroom on a day when the prosecution and defense laid out their cases for the first time to 12 jurors and the six alternates in the room. and it's on this momentous day, the former president trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, are now in a free for all know, it did actually start in the courtroom. >> it was during opening statements, trump was watching as his lawyers were tearing into the key wetness. >> they said, quote, his entire financial livelihood depends on president trump's destruction referring to cohen
michael cohen this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case, plus russia's new it girl, stink television. now fawning over marjorie taylor greene even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are saying tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie, and melania trump now selling more jewelry. is it to help her husband pay his legal fees? >> let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight....
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cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this is where they talk about the august 2015 meeting between donald trump, michael cohen, hope hicks is in there for a period of time, and david pecker, the prosecutor, josh steinglass, asked, well, can you describe for the jury what happened to that meeting? please? pecker responds at that meeting, donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazines could do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i previously, i said what i would do is that was run or publish positive stories about mr. trump, and i would publish negative stories about his opponents i said
cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this...
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cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel, couldn't be seen as john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but that does provide more details, even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this is where they talk about the august 2015 meeting between donald trump, michael cohen hope hicks is in there for a period of time, and david pecker, the prosecutor, josh steinglass, asked, well, can you describe for the jury what happened to that meeting? please? pecker responds at that meeting, donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazine could do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i previously, i said, what i would do is that was run or publish positive stories about mr. trump, and i would publish negative stories about his opponents i s
cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel, couldn't be seen as john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but that does provide more details, even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses....
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it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer," who worked with pecker, he was on with nicolle wallace yesterday. take a listen. >> august 2015, two months after donald trump goes down the escalator where they had this meeting, michael cohen and it is trump and it is david pecker and where pecker says he'll be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the organization i used to work for will purchase negative stories off the market and will run negative stories about your rivals. david pecker can really act as a tour guide for the jury. >> kristen, he takes us back to 2015, before trump was president, during the campaign. how important
it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer,"...
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so when when trump comes out today and he brings up michael cohen, just given how well you know, michael cohen. this is what trump said about him as he as he was leaving the courtroom she got in trouble for things that had nothing to do with me that a troubling went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me you're basically saying, well, it was connected to donald trump so all i'm saying is we'd the public record. >> i will i don't want to say anything at all about that comment. by mr. trump i said he's entitled to a presumption of innocence and let the jury decide on the evidence. but i do want to remind everybody, watching michael cohen for the last five plus years that i've worked with him has been attacked. his family has been threatened. i know his family i know his children, and i know has michael has stood up in front of the world publicly and owned his mistake takes if he does that in front of a jury, i believe that what judge engoron decided, i hope that the jury will decide this is a credible man who has been through a lot & owned his mistakes, and that contrition adds to his
so when when trump comes out today and he brings up michael cohen, just given how well you know, michael cohen. this is what trump said about him as he as he was leaving the courtroom she got in trouble for things that had nothing to do with me that a troubling went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me you're basically saying, well, it was connected to donald trump so all i'm saying is we'd the public record. >> i will i don't want to say anything at all about that comment. by...
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she's going to corroborate michael cohen corroborates michael cohen, michael cohen corroborates it's from my standpoint, this is an overwhelming case you have you have the documents as well. >> and so calm and of course, he's got to get up and any any good opposing counsel is going to impeach him, any witness that is on the stand is open. two impeachment to cast light on their character for untruthfulness. so we know that's going to happen. and it's no surprise. there. but all the other elements, the other testimony will hear the recorded phone conversations and the documents all hang together and corroborate the evidence that the people are presented but don't forget, we haven't heard all the evidence. >> just the opening. >> it's funded it's attackers, one day one of what will be four to six weeks of this trial. >> everyone stand for us. we've got some breaking news coming up. we're now getting word that one of trump's co-defendants in his class if i documents case was told that he would be pardoned once trump was elected. but what does that mean for that case? and we have more bre
she's going to corroborate michael cohen corroborates michael cohen, michael cohen corroborates it's from my standpoint, this is an overwhelming case you have you have the documents as well. >> and so calm and of course, he's got to get up and any any good opposing counsel is going to impeach him, any witness that is on the stand is open. two impeachment to cast light on their character for untruthfulness. so we know that's going to happen. and it's no surprise. there. but all the other...
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there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very hard for you. no explicit statement that there was a specific conversation about stormy daniels, apparently, but at least there was a conversation about the extent to which michael cohen's bonus was a concern and the fact that he had been loyal to him. the question here coming out of the lunch break is does the prosecution hone in on exactly what those conversations between those two actually meant. >> that's what's so interesting. we all know. we have covered this forever now. donald trump doesn't use e-mail. he hasn't used text until relatively recently. there's not a paper trail with donald
there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a ledger. so trying to knock down what will be some of the key witness testimony in this case as they tried to defend president trump and get the jury to return a verdict of not guilty. jake tara, we also learn more today about how donald trump's defense attorneys are going to try to distance trump from this alleged crime. tell us more about that so trump's attorneys are saying that the former president was not involved with how these records were allegedly falsified. >> remember this is both the invoices we will cohen submitted
yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a...
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he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out. what i think they may do is not cross-examine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didn't think you were committing a crime, did you? and i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying you're a liar, you're in that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. and the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. >> i mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 tha
he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out....
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with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again, putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely be crossed it's examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election. the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump are in regards to the election. here's randy k about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin suddenly got $30,000 richer. the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. >> there was a pattern that first 30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that trump had fathere
with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again, putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely be crossed it's examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals....
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it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is probably the guy with the green eye shade who will come testify at some point about accounting practices then the trump organization about how they handled and maintained their records, what they did with them, and what they knew about what the purpose of what they were doing was. that ends up being about pecker, is that he refused to pay for stormy daniels karen mcdougal was one thing, but he didn't want to pay for stormy daniels, whether it was cushy was a porn star or whatever is he said, i'm not a bank. i'm not going to pay for stormy. so that takes you out of his bank account into donald trump's
it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is...
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michael cohen, he's got his baggage. he has the perjury but where the rubber meets the road is when he testifies the way he looks at the jury, the demeanor that he presents to the jury. and is he corroborated my kevin was corroborated. they believed them even though he was a pathological liar. so everybody says that michael cohen is going to be a horrible witness. i want to see how the jury react. >> well, by the way, and goren in the case that was involved, this last one he goes to great lengths, almost a paragraph and a half in his opinion, talking about the rehabilitation of credibility to the point you're essentially raising of the he was believable and his colleagues before you get to your point, i just wanted to say, of course, i made a word cloud for the defense as well. because your balance is what's important here. and the defense actually named michael cohen, at least 60 times, right? so they're 60 time, which is about much of that mentioned david. another one. so it's good. that they are intending for you to f
michael cohen, he's got his baggage. he has the perjury but where the rubber meets the road is when he testifies the way he looks at the jury, the demeanor that he presents to the jury. and is he corroborated my kevin was corroborated. they believed them even though he was a pathological liar. so everybody says that michael cohen is going to be a horrible witness. i want to see how the jury react. >> well, by the way, and goren in the case that was involved, this last one he goes to great...
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michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the third, the former chief judge for the us middle district of pennsylvania, joe jones. appreciate you being back with us. what was your biggest takeaway from opening statements? >> well, it's interesting i think the opening statements we're not unexpected there's a lot that the prosecution didn't say and i'm curious about that i think they're kind of playing hide the ball, not inappropriately with some witnesses. i agree with your panelists and hope hicks this is going to be a very interesting and, maybe a pivotal witness to tie the form
michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the...
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michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the mar
michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the...
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michael cohen directly, and that was in 2007. he seems -- the prosecution is setting up the prosecution here of where cohen was having direct contact with david pecker, and donald trump let pecker know this, if he heard from michael cohen, he was hearing from trump, and that what seems to be in the line of questioning right now, josÉ. >> so interesting. and pecker is now talking about the popularity of trump for his magazine, previous to 2015, and certainly up to the election, but it's interesting, he's saying when mr. trump launched the "celebrity apprentice," basically "the national enquirer" skyrocketed and we did research on proper covers and which celebrity, and all the time, every time we did this mr. trump would be the top choice. this is a guy who had a lot of celebrity as his commodity which helped him get to the white house. >> absolutely. that's really the great power that trump has is his ability to marshal media attention and get it to shine on him. that's always been the biggest thing. it's not managing businesses,
michael cohen directly, and that was in 2007. he seems -- the prosecution is setting up the prosecution here of where cohen was having direct contact with david pecker, and donald trump let pecker know this, if he heard from michael cohen, he was hearing from trump, and that what seems to be in the line of questioning right now, josÉ. >> so interesting. and pecker is now talking about the popularity of trump for his magazine, previous to 2015, and certainly up to the election, but it's...
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cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a had _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used _ it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that— it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to — it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to bridge to the stormy daniets— used that to bridge to the stormy daniels payment and explain why, as they allege, michael cohen made the payment _ they allege, michael cohen made the payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's _ payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's direction. but again, back to the _ trump's direction. but again, back to the issue — trump's direction. but again, back to the issue of intent. david packer places— to the issue of intent. david packer places donald trump's concerns about the election— places donald trump's concerns about the election at the forefront of all of their— the election at the forefront of all of their conversations. he says after— of their conversations. he says after a — of their conversations. he says aftera dinner
cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a had _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used _ it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that— it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to — it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to bridge to the stormy daniets— used that to bridge to the stormy daniels payment and explain why, as they allege, michael cohen made the payment _ they allege, michael cohen made...
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cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d.a.'s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump directly including with respect to whether it was worth it to buy karen mcdougle's story at a point in time that enquirer ceo and chief content officer, dylan howard, had already flown to california to interview mcdougle about her story. decided essentially that she was credible after which point trump calls pecker and said what do you think we should do. i also thought that it was a fascinating introduction to the world of tabloid journalism. it was like pecker was emptying the contents of his head about the lexicon and standard practices tabloid journalis
cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d.a.'s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump...