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trump is obsessed with the boxes. and there were boxes of items that he wanted. >> i can sort of give a bit of insight into that because that's safe, that's been referred to as a couple times as my foot rest, dino sajudin, i got his contract out because they wanted the names of the love child, and the safe wouldn't close. i had to sit there, turn the tv up loud enough to hammer the safe closed. >> i may never let you live that down. >> i want to stress that the files -- >> i'm following your home. >> we're all following you home. >> the material, the files they're referring to were old clips, old files, the revelations that are out there have been out there, and there was old tips. the revelations out there have been out there and there was a stunning moment whereafter the wall street journal report, the karen mcdougal deal, donald trump is furious with david pecker. he says it was someone on the inside and i was one of the sources. this is a catch and kill and if you use this term it will give me some cover. >> good
trump is obsessed with the boxes. and there were boxes of items that he wanted. >> i can sort of give a bit of insight into that because that's safe, that's been referred to as a couple times as my foot rest, dino sajudin, i got his contract out because they wanted the names of the love child, and the safe wouldn't close. i had to sit there, turn the tv up loud enough to hammer the safe closed. >> i may never let you live that down. >> i want to stress that the files --...
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before trump no one even claimed that. after trump the courts now are full of prosecutions of his supporters and his aides. more indictments came just last night. and this is the obvious fact here. the insurrection was a public crime spree. it was televised. it was live streamed by some of its participants and now many of them are sitting in prison or waiting in trial. the related election plots are just the same. many justices seemed almost oblivious to that current reality and threat. today was a historic day for the supreme court in the sense that we will be reading about this in history books. off the top tonight i'm going to show you why and give you the breakdown. today was also a depressing day at this supreme court as its trump appointees and some other members seemed oblivious to this reality of this insurrection era. oblivious to the doj's victorious sedition convictions which not everyone may follow but judges and supreme court justices are supposed to track that. those people who stormed the capitol got their d
before trump no one even claimed that. after trump the courts now are full of prosecutions of his supporters and his aides. more indictments came just last night. and this is the obvious fact here. the insurrection was a public crime spree. it was televised. it was live streamed by some of its participants and now many of them are sitting in prison or waiting in trial. the related election plots are just the same. many justices seemed almost oblivious to that current reality and threat. today...
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donald trump. so -- but he clearly has exposure. and not only does he have exposure but there was interesting testimony about what was happening internal to ami because at some point, he goes -- we don't know the substance because they didn't waive attorney-client privilege and if you're talking to a lawyer internal to a company you don't have to reveal that publicly even at a criminal trial, but they were going to front the money to the door man. >> night they were fronting the money to karen mcdougal. he was planning on getting reimbursed from donald trump. and with karen mcdougal, it's not a donald trump who says i'm not paying you. it's you have david pecker has a conversation with counsel. >> yeah. >> and then afterwards he's like, we're not participating anymore. >> that's where the arnold schwarzenegger -- he has learned that which runs afoul -- he's so d he's a witness knowledgeable in campaign finance law. >> he's gotten involved in other campaigns, but yes, it's true. look this is the cas
donald trump. so -- but he clearly has exposure. and not only does he have exposure but there was interesting testimony about what was happening internal to ami because at some point, he goes -- we don't know the substance because they didn't waive attorney-client privilege and if you're talking to a lawyer internal to a company you don't have to reveal that publicly even at a criminal trial, but they were going to front the money to the door man. >> night they were fronting the money to...
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and that is exactly what donald trump does not want. >> if donald trump's not elected again, does this trial just go forward as usual unless president biden, if he's reelected pardons him? >> so leaving the pardon aside, this case could go forward under a second term, and the issue is what exactly the court's going to say about immunity. i agree with the point ken dilanian said, which is there are not five justices who say this case is over. they're not saying that for unofficial private acts that there's going to be presidential immunity. the issue is what is the definition of private versus official, and that's why this -- the argument was somewhat hard to follow because it really got into the weeds about what if you have somebody doing something that seems like it's part of their official acts but their motive or their intent is impure. >> so differentiating private from public acts can get very complicated. >> exactly. and that's why, just to be clear, what michael dreeben was arguing was twofold. he was saying there should not be criminal immunity for official acts except for a ve
and that is exactly what donald trump does not want. >> if donald trump's not elected again, does this trial just go forward as usual unless president biden, if he's reelected pardons him? >> so leaving the pardon aside, this case could go forward under a second term, and the issue is what exactly the court's going to say about immunity. i agree with the point ken dilanian said, which is there are not five justices who say this case is over. they're not saying that for unofficial...
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why that became such a big issue for donald trump's defense team. i wonder whether now they might have thought to argue about qualified immunity as opposed to absolute immunity. given the framing of some of the questions from the justices, it may have boded better to do so in terms of creating that distinction. i think when you are looking at the questions that were asked by gorsuch as well as alito, it's very clear there is clearly a faction on the bench that wants to create a space that allows this argument to breathe further or at least them to kick it back down and allow that to be dealt with at a lower court. if you are looking in other directions, there are clearly justices like jackson who want to try and make this as narrow as possible. this was lawyering at the highest of levels. i want to remind everyone out there, the supreme court is not right because -- they are not last because they are always right. they are right because they're always last. what i mean by that is, whatever results from this is something that we will all have to live
why that became such a big issue for donald trump's defense team. i wonder whether now they might have thought to argue about qualified immunity as opposed to absolute immunity. given the framing of some of the questions from the justices, it may have boded better to do so in terms of creating that distinction. i think when you are looking at the questions that were asked by gorsuch as well as alito, it's very clear there is clearly a faction on the bench that wants to create a space that...
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>> today, yes, given the court's decision in trump versus united states in which the -- trump versus hawaii, excuse me, where the court said, coramatsu was overruled and the decision was made with the advice of his attorney general. >> is that really true? i thought attorney general thought there was really no threat of sabotage, as did jay edgar hoover. >> i think there is a lot of historical controversy. it underscores that that occurred during war time. it implicates potential commander in chief concerns, concerns about the exigencies of national defense that might provide and as applied article 2 challenge at the time. i'm not suggesting today. the idea that a decision that was made and ultimately endorsed by this court, perhaps wrongly, would support criminal prosecution under 241 which requires under united states versus linear that the right had been made specific. so there is notice to the president. i don't think that would have been satisfied. >> we could go through other historical examples. i won't do that. let me touch briefly on a couple of other things. one is the rele
>> today, yes, given the court's decision in trump versus united states in which the -- trump versus hawaii, excuse me, where the court said, coramatsu was overruled and the decision was made with the advice of his attorney general. >> is that really true? i thought attorney general thought there was really no threat of sabotage, as did jay edgar hoover. >> i think there is a lot of historical controversy. it underscores that that occurred during war time. it implicates...
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being made by trump's team. they're saying absolute immunity. it's hard for an outside observer to see how that would make any sense at all. >> i don't think they have a chance in winning this case. i think what they have a chance of is getting a justice or two to write a dissent that will slow down the writing of this opinion. if they can slow it down enough, the hope is then judge chutkan will be forced to schedule the trial after the election. and so the american people then will not get to hear all of the evidence against donald trump. liz cheney had an important piece in the "new york times" in which she said, supreme court, decide this thing fast, because jack smith has uncovered all sorts of information against donald trump that i and the members of the january 6th committee did not have. the only way to get that in front of the american people is to have a trial before the election. the stakes aren't just about what the decision will say at the supreme court. the more important stakes are when is the cou
being made by trump's team. they're saying absolute immunity. it's hard for an outside observer to see how that would make any sense at all. >> i don't think they have a chance in winning this case. i think what they have a chance of is getting a justice or two to write a dissent that will slow down the writing of this opinion. if they can slow it down enough, the hope is then judge chutkan will be forced to schedule the trial after the election. and so the american people then will not...
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people like donald trump learned a different lesson. he learned the best way to get rich is inherit it. he learned paying taxes was something working people did, not him. he learned that telling people you're fired was something to laugh about. not in my household, not in my neighborhood. i mean it severely, no joke. >> still ahead we'll turn to sports and last night's playoff action in the nhl and the nba including the miami heat shattering a franchise record in their battle with the celts. "way too early" is coming right back. celts. "way too early" is coming right back but this is my story. ( ♪♪ ) and with once-daily trelegy, it can still be beautiful. because with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open for a full 24 hours and prevents future flare-ups. trelegy also improves lung function, so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy m
people like donald trump learned a different lesson. he learned the best way to get rich is inherit it. he learned paying taxes was something working people did, not him. he learned that telling people you're fired was something to laugh about. not in my household, not in my neighborhood. i mean it severely, no joke. >> still ahead we'll turn to sports and last night's playoff action in the nhl and the nba including the miami heat shattering a franchise record in their battle with the...
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trump added the part that read "in order to get on the trump jury." but within hours jesse waters corrected trump's mistake for him, posting trump's incorrect version of the quote to waters own twitter account in effect retroactively making his own words, words that trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally they are heeding trump's calls. they are taking his line edits. so what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone? >> the guy needs exercise. he's usually golfing, and so you're going to put a man who's almost 80 sitting in a room like this on his butt all that time, it's unhealthy. he needs sunlight and needs activity. they're freezing him to death. he says it's like 45 degrees in there, and they're putting his life in danger. back with me lisa rubin. thank you both for being here tonight. i don't know, brian, i just -- what is the -- what's the point of a gag order honestly when you have a media industrial complex that is effectively acting as, you know, a public defense line for donald trump? >> i t
trump added the part that read "in order to get on the trump jury." but within hours jesse waters corrected trump's mistake for him, posting trump's incorrect version of the quote to waters own twitter account in effect retroactively making his own words, words that trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally they are heeding trump's calls. they are taking his line edits. so what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone? >> the guy...
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i would be very clear about what trump is saying what trump is saying, loud and clear, repeatedly, online and into microphones is that if the supreme court does not grant him total immunity and he is elected to a second term, he will order the department of justice to prosecute joe biden. that is what he is saying. that is the key take away, quote, if they take away my residential immunity, they take away crooked joe biden's presidential immunity. quote, joe would be right for indictment by weaponizing the doj against his political opponent, me, joe has opened a giant pandora's box point quote, remember, if i don't have presidential immunity, then crooked joe biden doesn't have it either and he would certainly be prosecuted for his many actual crimes. trump is campaigning on ginning up a baseless prosecution of joe biden. >> if i am not entitled to immunity as president, every other president would get that, then crooked joe biden would not be entitled to immunity and when he left office he would be , i assume, prosecuted so if i don't have immunity, he doesn't have immunity and, by the w
i would be very clear about what trump is saying what trump is saying, loud and clear, repeatedly, online and into microphones is that if the supreme court does not grant him total immunity and he is elected to a second term, he will order the department of justice to prosecute joe biden. that is what he is saying. that is the key take away, quote, if they take away my residential immunity, they take away crooked joe biden's presidential immunity. quote, joe would be right for indictment by...
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. >>> tonight, donald trump so- called fake electors have been charged in arizona along with key trump aids after a year- long investigation by the state attorney general. >>> plus, we are hours away from supreme court arguments on terms total immunity claim. and what to expect in the very busy day ahead. >>> then, and idaho dr. is here talking about the real-life impact of the states abortion ban while the battle plays out in the nation's highest court is the 11 downer -- the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. good evening. once again, i am stephanie ruhle and we are now officially 195 days away from the election and tonight, donald trump is now unindicted co-conspirator number one in a sprawling criminal case, another one, involving our elections. 11 fake electors who supported trump in the 2020 election have been indicted by an arizona grand jury. this comes after a year-long investigation by the state attorney general. one month after the election, 11 trump supporters signed a certificate claiming to be arizona's electors. but, president biden won the state by more th
. >>> tonight, donald trump so- called fake electors have been charged in arizona along with key trump aids after a year- long investigation by the state attorney general. >>> plus, we are hours away from supreme court arguments on terms total immunity claim. and what to expect in the very busy day ahead. >>> then, and idaho dr. is here talking about the real-life impact of the states abortion ban while the battle plays out in the nation's highest court is the 11...
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trump voters all over the country can hear donald trump committing the crime in that phone call. and that may be the level of certainty and public certainty in the evidence that prosecutors want to indict someone for actions that conducted during the presidency. >> i think that is actually probably correct. in georgia, the call is so damning. it is the president himself personally encouraging the secretary of state to find the number of votes needed to win. we don't have that in arizona. we don't have as much evidence as president trump gauging with people in arizona. as much as he did in folks with in michigan, pennsylvania, and elsewhere. so, my guess is that the quantum of evidence and his personal participation, the approximate cause of the strategy the architect with eastman and giuliani of the strategy. more direct evidence of his personal participation. that might come from some of these people if they cooperate. the nature of a conspiracy is it is concerted action. people working together. some of these people say oh yeah, i talked to president trump. and he encouraged me
trump voters all over the country can hear donald trump committing the crime in that phone call. and that may be the level of certainty and public certainty in the evidence that prosecutors want to indict someone for actions that conducted during the presidency. >> i think that is actually probably correct. in georgia, the call is so damning. it is the president himself personally encouraging the secretary of state to find the number of votes needed to win. we don't have that in arizona....
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trump added the part that read in order to get on the trump jury. but within hours, jesse waters corrected trump's mistake for him, posting trump's incorrect version of the quote to water's own twitter account in effect retro actively making his own words the words trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally, they are heeding trump's calls. they are taking his line edits. >> the guy needs exercise. he is usually golfing. and so, you will put a man who is almost 80 sitting like a room on his butt all this time? it is unhealthyment he needs sunlight and activity. they are freezing him to death. putting him in a meat locker. he says it's like 45-degree ins there and putting his life in danger. >> back with me again is lisa ruben. and bryan stelter. vanity fair special correspondent author of network of lies. the epic saga of fox news. donald trump and the battle for american democracy. thank you for being here, what is the point of a gag order honestly? when you have a media industrial complex acting as a public defense line for donald t
trump added the part that read in order to get on the trump jury. but within hours, jesse waters corrected trump's mistake for him, posting trump's incorrect version of the quote to water's own twitter account in effect retro actively making his own words the words trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally, they are heeding trump's calls. they are taking his line edits. >> the guy needs exercise. he is usually golfing. and so, you will put a man who is almost 80 sitting...
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trump. let's get started with our panel, mark leibovich, harry litman and glenn kershner. lay out for us what these indictments are, what this whole thing means because so much has happened a lot of people are going wait a minute, what was the fake elector scheme again? >> it's true. it sort of washes over us so much has happened, but look, these are serious charges. this is a brazen attempt to steal the election from the rightful winner. the 11 electors get together and say we'll sign certificates saying we're the rightful electors in arizona, which of course, they aren't and they know they aren't and they conspire to do it with some pretty high up associates of the former president, including mark meadows, including jenna ellis, including rudy giuliani and we see it as another chapter, but if you stop and think about it, it's a serious effort to steal an election, holds serious penalties, five years or so and involves people who could really give damaging testimony against the former presi
trump. let's get started with our panel, mark leibovich, harry litman and glenn kershner. lay out for us what these indictments are, what this whole thing means because so much has happened a lot of people are going wait a minute, what was the fake elector scheme again? >> it's true. it sort of washes over us so much has happened, but look, these are serious charges. this is a brazen attempt to steal the election from the rightful winner. the 11 electors get together and say we'll sign...
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are attorneys john eastman and john ellis, trump aide boris epstein, christina bobb and trump campaign operative mike roman. the indictment says, "defendants and unindicted co- conspirators schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency to keep unindicted co-conspirator one in office against the will of arizona's voters. this scheme would have deprived arizona voters of their right to votes and have their votes counted. the defendants voted for then donald trump and vice president mike pence on december 14, 2020, falsely claiming to be duly elected and qualified electors for president and vice president of the united states from the state of arizona. defendants deceived the citizens of arizona by falsely claiming that those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. in reality defendants intended that their false votes for trump/pence would encourage pence to reject the biden/harris votes on january 6th, 2021, regardless of the outcome. the scheme failed when mike pence accepted all certified biden/harris votes on january 6t
are attorneys john eastman and john ellis, trump aide boris epstein, christina bobb and trump campaign operative mike roman. the indictment says, "defendants and unindicted co- conspirators schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency to keep unindicted co-conspirator one in office against the will of arizona's voters. this scheme would have deprived arizona voters of their right to votes and have their votes counted. the defendants voted for then donald trump and vice...
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trump added to the part that read in order to get on the trump jury. but, within hours, jesse watters directed trumps mistake for him , posting trumps incorrect version of the quote to jesse watters's own twitter account, in effect, retroactively making his own words the words that trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally, they are heeding trumps calls. they are taking his line edits. what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone? >> the guy needs exercise. he's usually golfing. you are going to put a man who is almost 80 sitting in a room like this on his but for all that time? it's not healthy. he needs sunlight and he needs activity. they are going to put him in a meat locker. he says it's 45 degrees in there and they are putting his life in danger. >> back with me again is lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent and brian stelter, special correspondent and author of "network of life, the epic saga of fox news, donald trump, and the battle for american democracy." thank you both for being here tonight.
trump added to the part that read in order to get on the trump jury. but, within hours, jesse watters directed trumps mistake for him , posting trumps incorrect version of the quote to jesse watters's own twitter account, in effect, retroactively making his own words the words that trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally, they are heeding trumps calls. they are taking his line edits. what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone? >> the...
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the bottom line is, in the trump campaign, the co- conspirators around trump and trump himself knew they were crossing all sorts legal boundaries. they were very cavalier in doing so create they did not care about people downstream willing to do the bidding for them. that is a part of the story as well. >> i want you to stay with me. i will bring in -- i have managed to physically conjure him. one thing i wanted to talk to you about, we have these redactions. we have the 11 names. we are using the washington post reporting. they mention giuliani, mike meadows -- there the first time for everyone. -- i think because of the way trump operates and so much of a sense -- and will he ever face accountability. you could glide past the seriousness in terms of legal peril, financial train -- rain. financial strain. it is not good to have multiple venues for all of these people. >> john eastman, attorney kenneth chesebro, mark meadows, it is not simply that they are in great peril, they imperil trump. they are people who can cooperate and really do not have that many options are that much money. h
the bottom line is, in the trump campaign, the co- conspirators around trump and trump himself knew they were crossing all sorts legal boundaries. they were very cavalier in doing so create they did not care about people downstream willing to do the bidding for them. that is a part of the story as well. >> i want you to stay with me. i will bring in -- i have managed to physically conjure him. one thing i wanted to talk to you about, we have these redactions. we have the 11 names. we are...
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he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. in clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the united states about whether he can claim sweeping presidential immunity over his criminal election interference charges from special counsel jack smith. but even for the conservative majority hears one word of arguments, it i
he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney...
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he would publish positive stories about trump and negative stories about trump's opponents. and boy did he deliver. now remember, this is part of a larger narrative. in fairness to trump, as a defendant, we should note that the media and various types of media publish all kinds of things. and sometimes it's very clear whether they have positive or negative views on certain people. and in media, some people will tell you that's based on the facts. others say it's based on ideology or some other alliance. so this part that i'm showing you is a pattern that the prosecution says made a crime. it itself is not necessarily a crime. we see those positive stories of trump, which is rachel and others have pointed out in our coverage this week, we're on the newsstands at every major grocery store in america, hitting people who may not follow the news as closely. this went on through the 2016 election cycle. in fact, it went on and on. pecker describing how the tabloid would then go after trump's opponents in ways that other trump friendly media might find going too far. after the deba
he would publish positive stories about trump and negative stories about trump's opponents. and boy did he deliver. now remember, this is part of a larger narrative. in fairness to trump, as a defendant, we should note that the media and various types of media publish all kinds of things. and sometimes it's very clear whether they have positive or negative views on certain people. and in media, some people will tell you that's based on the facts. others say it's based on ideology or some other...
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i am done with trump. i think the question is, does that mean they vote for biden or do they sit it out in november? >> michael steele, what did you make of the numbers? obviously, the closed primary aspect of it makes it a more troubling political development for the trump team. >> yeah, i think that's an important aspect of it. you do need to distinguish it from what we saw in new hampshire, for example, where it was an open primary. a lot of democrats and interests -- independents voted in that which changed the numbers. here you talking about a closed primary, all republicans that are only allowed to vote. it sends a shot across the bow. the appropriate question is, what does it mean? who are these voters? are these the voters who sort of braved the point, i don't want to have something go sideways, so i want to put my voice in the mix? do i want to show how mad i am at trump? how does that translate come november? do those voters then come back to the polls in november or do they sit out? my thinking
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this is a bill that donald trump did not support. what does it mean for republicans to break with him? is this a movement or a moment? >> reporter: well, it's interesting. you played senate minority leader mitch mcconnell's thoughts on this, and i just wrapped up a lengthy one on one interview with him that we'll have on msnbcnews.com in a bit. getting into donald trump's role was interesting. he acknowledged along with tucker carlson that donald trump played a big role in republicans backing away from the idea that ukraine funding was a smart idea, and then what he ultimately said was donald trump's decision to kind of back away from his earlier backing away of ukraine support kind of gauged space for individual republican members to assess this on their own and come up with their own conclusion, and the fact that donald trump didn't continue to hammer it right up until the very end gave them the space to vote yes and recognized that this was a real problem. mitch mcconnell believes there's a family fight, he described it, in the re
this is a bill that donald trump did not support. what does it mean for republicans to break with him? is this a movement or a moment? >> reporter: well, it's interesting. you played senate minority leader mitch mcconnell's thoughts on this, and i just wrapped up a lengthy one on one interview with him that we'll have on msnbcnews.com in a bit. getting into donald trump's role was interesting. he acknowledged along with tucker carlson that donald trump played a big role in republicans...
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what did donald trump's daughter-in-law have to say about it? >> well, look, this is all part of what the rnc calls a masive voter integrity operation. claiming they're going to deploy a hundred thousand volunteers and attorneys across battle ground states to protect the vote and ensure a big win in november. our comments to newsmax raise a few flags. listen. >> so will they be allowed to physically handle the ballots as well, lara? >> yep, and that means, eric, that they should know and they can count how many ballots come in and how many ballots should go out of every single polling location. here's something else we need to make clear. if we catch you cheating and we're looking out there for you to cheat, we will prosecute you to the full extent of the law. >> so, of course, observers, poll watchers, volunteers, all of that is welcome and encouraged from both parties during an election, but some of what she had to say, and some of what the rnc outlined in their plans had some election experts concerned that it could end up leading to voter in
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the trump campaign is going to try not to talk about this issue. it's not going to work well for the trump campaign to continue to try to pretend that this issue isn't going to be front and center. and again, i think as you mentioned, the people that are going to decide this race, suburban voters outside of milwaukee, suburban voters outside of detroit, suburban voters outside of phoenix and las vegas, all of those states, atlanta. they're watching this issue very closely. they're watching it for themselves. they're watching it for their families, and it is going to -- it's going to be the biggest issue, i think, out there. we've already seen -- arizona is absolutely a swing state. one of the closest in the 2020 election. the supreme court's ruling in arizona probably fundamentally changed the trajectory of where that state's going to be. >> yamiche alcindor, robert gibbs, thank you both. eugene daniels, you're going to stay with me. in 60 seconds, more pro-palestinian demonstrations erupt at colleges across the country. could college graduations b
the trump campaign is going to try not to talk about this issue. it's not going to work well for the trump campaign to continue to try to pretend that this issue isn't going to be front and center. and again, i think as you mentioned, the people that are going to decide this race, suburban voters outside of milwaukee, suburban voters outside of detroit, suburban voters outside of phoenix and las vegas, all of those states, atlanta. they're watching this issue very closely. they're watching it...
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among friends with donald trump to help get donald trump's first presidential election. the prosecution showed pecker's pages of his former tabloid's headlines, which are what everyone sees at supermarket, designed to hurt donald trump's opponents. lisa reubens and also paul butler are joining us. lisa, you've been amaamazing. the trial taking a day off. you never take a day off. but let me ask you when do we expect, anyway to tell whether today could be the day where we hear what the judge will decide about thegag order alleged violations? he certainly seemed very impatient of the ability to restrain let's say donald trump. >> he is equally frustrated with todd's ability to connect him with the attacks. that was the chief defense, that donald trump was simply defending himself in the court of public opinion. i expect that we'll hear from week's end. but judge merchan said that he wouldn't rule from the bench because he understands that it will likely be appealed so he wants to take his time to be thoughtful about which of the posts are violations and what the relief is.
among friends with donald trump to help get donald trump's first presidential election. the prosecution showed pecker's pages of his former tabloid's headlines, which are what everyone sees at supermarket, designed to hurt donald trump's opponents. lisa reubens and also paul butler are joining us. lisa, you've been amaamazing. the trial taking a day off. you never take a day off. but let me ask you when do we expect, anyway to tell whether today could be the day where we hear what the judge...
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and trump is arguing to dismantle all of that. and his arguments don't really carry the day because we know from experience in our laboratories of democracy, the states, you can prosecute and the sky does not fall. we have prosecuted former governors and the sky has not fallen. so it does suggest that the argument that the sky will fall is not -- that is not born out by evidence and history. >> and whereas this is a very specific case because of the specific nature, which is unique in so many ways, but it could in a way, in a very important way, set a precedent one way or another. >> yeah, i think one of the dangerous things here is that people have argued that for all of the dooms saying that organizations like ours put out there about the dangers of a trump presidency, they say the country survived. i would argue that there was an insurrection on the capitol. but even if you argue it, there were constraints on trump during the first term. there were checks on him within his administration. tlp checks on him within his party to s
and trump is arguing to dismantle all of that. and his arguments don't really carry the day because we know from experience in our laboratories of democracy, the states, you can prosecute and the sky does not fall. we have prosecuted former governors and the sky has not fallen. so it does suggest that the argument that the sky will fall is not -- that is not born out by evidence and history. >> and whereas this is a very specific case because of the specific nature, which is unique in so...
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pecker was eager to please trump to do things for him so when trump and cohen brought him to trump tower and said what can you do for us? that's why he was he was eager please. there was a transactional relationship between them that had benefitted both men for decades before they got to that meeting. >> so kristy, if you are the prosecution here, are you happy with david pecker's testimony so far? >> yes. he's done a number of things very well. one, like lisa said, his misdemeanor in court, he's very happy to be there. he has a big smile on his face. he's pretty jovial, but he's making some really key points. first on this point of benefit, he's very clear, yes, donald trump benefitted him previously. however, when it came to these hush money payments, when it came to dino the doorman, when it came to karen mcdougal, these were unusual, they were much larger payments. the limit previously for celebrity stories were 10,000, now you're talking 100,000. far more than usual and pecker testified this didn't benefit the "national enquirer." it would have benefitted us to publish the story. to
pecker was eager to please trump to do things for him so when trump and cohen brought him to trump tower and said what can you do for us? that's why he was he was eager please. there was a transactional relationship between them that had benefitted both men for decades before they got to that meeting. >> so kristy, if you are the prosecution here, are you happy with david pecker's testimony so far? >> yes. he's done a number of things very well. one, like lisa said, his misdemeanor...
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in falsification of business records. >> i want to play something we heard from donald trump yesterday just before the trial picked back up. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people,
in falsification of business records. >> i want to play something we heard from donald trump yesterday just before the trial picked back up. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people,
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trump. >> he described the dobbs as a miracle. maybe it's coming from the bible he's trying to sell. i almost wanted to buy one just to see what's in it. >> republican senator mitt romney and president biden making jokes about donald trump. there was a lot to go around yesterday. mitt romney, wow. bring it home, willie. >> yeah, mitt romney going in there, obviously no love lost between those two men. mitt romney, expect to hear more of that throughout the campaign. >> expert legal analysis on yesterday's testimony in the hush money trial and the gag order against trump. straight ahead. >>> president biden's joke came while he was campaigning in florida. on the issue of reproductive rights and women's health care, blaming trump for overturning roe and these extreme abortion laws. we'll show you more of the president's speech. quite a flex going down to florida while trump was stuck in court in new york city. on capitol hill, a top republican admits it's trump's fault that border security has
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>> reporter: pecker describing a meeting at trump tower in 2015 with mr. trump and michael cohen. mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper so the doorman couldn't take the story else where, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign the potential embarrassment. >> that was nbc's laura jarrett with that report. and joining us now is former assistant district attorney in manhattan catherine christian, and also an nbc legal analyst. thank you for joining us. let's just get your reaction to the david pecker testimony on the witness stand yesterday. how does it help the prosecution? >> it's very helpful, and it'
>> reporter: pecker describing a meeting at trump tower in 2015 with mr. trump and michael cohen. mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also...
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trump. when he said we i always assumed he and mr. trump. david pecker and the national enquirer were by his own admission publishing the 2016 at the behest of donald trump at the direction of his lawyer. and then there was what mr. pecker was doinghe behinds the scenes to help trump's campaign. today they asked mr.picker about two negative stories about trump, stories the national enquirer purchased the exclusive rights to and then sat on so that the accusations against trump would not come out before thewo election, a process that now known colloquially and publicly as catch and kill. the first story was about trump's love child. it was a story that was untrue. then there was karen mcdougal a model and actress who like stormy daniels alleged she had an affair with donald trump. the enquirer also bought the rights to her story she she could not go public with it. what we learned in court today all this behind the scenes maneuvering much like the bombshell cover story was for one express purpose, to help the trump campaign. here'sp prosecuto
trump. when he said we i always assumed he and mr. trump. david pecker and the national enquirer were by his own admission publishing the 2016 at the behest of donald trump at the direction of his lawyer. and then there was what mr. pecker was doinghe behinds the scenes to help trump's campaign. today they asked mr.picker about two negative stories about trump, stories the national enquirer purchased the exclusive rights to and then sat on so that the accusations against trump would not come...
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please deny, david role in the criminal conspiracy to elect donald trump and the wild hearing on trump's gag order abuse. clearance, the judge is getting tough on trump's lawyer. >> saying to donald trump's attorneys, you are losing all credibility, you are losing all credibility with the court. >>> then why the biden campaign said they had a chance to win florida. >> he is out campaigning and i am sitting up all day long. >>> and r series continues, are you better off than you were four years ago? >> the disinfectant, it knocked it out in a minute and is there a way we can do something like that? by injection or cleaning. >> when all in starch right now. >>> good evening, from new york, i am chris hayes, day two of the criminal trial, donald trump, today we heard in great detail how trump and his gang conspired to hide all his worst secrets, at least some of them. trump and his lawyer continue to stretch the patience of judge merchan. the started with the hearing on the gag order the judge had already issued, which trump has her heatedly and freely been violating on social media and els
please deny, david role in the criminal conspiracy to elect donald trump and the wild hearing on trump's gag order abuse. clearance, the judge is getting tough on trump's lawyer. >> saying to donald trump's attorneys, you are losing all credibility, you are losing all credibility with the court. >>> then why the biden campaign said they had a chance to win florida. >> he is out campaigning and i am sitting up all day long. >>> and r series continues, are you better...
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now they are endorsing donald trump. working for donald trump. they are sucking up to donald trump. under oath, the former head of the national enquirer is admitting he essentially humiliated these men in pursuit of donald trump's white house candidacy. and the shamelessness, the willingness of these folks to commit sort of like to basically base themselves. it is really humiliating. >> i think so. so george, you are the tabled republican. >> listen don johnson. >> you are our table republican tonight. in republican circles, when news like this comes out. when you have david being like yep, made up the stories about donald trump's foes. it is what i did. like, what happens in like, in republican cocktail parties tonight? what are they saying? yeah. he made up stories about my dad. still voting for him. like, how does that work? >> i have no idea. i can't fathom it it. i think they just do this. i got, i was on the acella yesterday. and the first class car. and some guy. >> oh i'm sorry. like, i'm sorry. first you wear that outfit. >> and this guy gets into the discussion. i'm headli
now they are endorsing donald trump. working for donald trump. they are sucking up to donald trump. under oath, the former head of the national enquirer is admitting he essentially humiliated these men in pursuit of donald trump's white house candidacy. and the shamelessness, the willingness of these folks to commit sort of like to basically base themselves. it is really humiliating. >> i think so. so george, you are the tabled republican. >> listen don johnson. >> you are our...
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the truth is trump supporters do not care that donald trump is being prosecuted. they have made that very clear. he has begged them to show up and they have refused. yesterday, donald trump said america loving protesters should be allowed to protest at the front steps of courthouses all over the country. so, there is donald trump. summoning trump supporters in idaho to go to the courthouse in boise and stage a big protest for him. or in north dakota or utah or alabama or texas or somewhere there is a vast majority of voters for donald trump. any courthouse in america, florida, anywhere. and no one, no one anywhere in the country showed up at any courthouse to protest the criminal prosecution of donald trump. 74million trump voters said absolutely no. we will not protest donald trump's criminal prosecution. we do not care. they are not the only people who don't care. donald trump is the only criminal defendant i have ever seen who cannot round up a single family member to sit in the front row of the courtroom in support of criminal defendant donald trump. his third
the truth is trump supporters do not care that donald trump is being prosecuted. they have made that very clear. he has begged them to show up and they have refused. yesterday, donald trump said america loving protesters should be allowed to protest at the front steps of courthouses all over the country. so, there is donald trump. summoning trump supporters in idaho to go to the courthouse in boise and stage a big protest for him. or in north dakota or utah or alabama or texas or somewhere...
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trump's behalf. one way he could do it would be to testify. >> you have the list of potential witnesses. there are high level trump organization officials who are prepared to testify who presumably would further corroborate the idea that donald trump knew what he was doing. is there a witness that you have seen from the list of people called to the stand that could be helpful to trump's case at this point? >> helpful? not necessarily. if you have witnesses putting michael cohen in the oval office with you, that is not helpful. if you have a witness saying that donald trump was meticulous looks over his checks signing his checks and not a passive player here, that is not helpful to you. so there is nobody that the prosecution is lining up that will be helpful. i think josh steinglass and chris conway, it's not their first rodeo. they know what they are doing. i'm confident donald trump is in trouble. but, but, it is not his burden. it's the prosecution's burden. and beyond a reasonable doubt which is
trump's behalf. one way he could do it would be to testify. >> you have the list of potential witnesses. there are high level trump organization officials who are prepared to testify who presumably would further corroborate the idea that donald trump knew what he was doing. is there a witness that you have seen from the list of people called to the stand that could be helpful to trump's case at this point? >> helpful? not necessarily. if you have witnesses putting michael cohen in...
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that would hurt trump. he said what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. the prosecution showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then canada trump and derogatory ones about trump's opponents in closing -- including ted cruz. he also testified his company paid a doorman $30,000 for completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper, so the doorman couldn't take the story elsewhere, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign, the potential in person -- embarrassment. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in the criminal contempt for violating the judges gag order that bars him from attacking trial witnesses. >> so they can talk about me and say whatever they want, they can live and i'm not allowed to say anything. i'd love to see everything that's on my mind. >> the defense argued that trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks and the gag order should not cover repost of someone else. the judg
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the in writing version is more coherent than the loony version donald trump said into the microphone this morning, so we will do with the written version at 4:35 p.m.
the in writing version is more coherent than the loony version donald trump said into the microphone this morning, so we will do with the written version at 4:35 p.m.
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trump. when he said we i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. david and the national enquirer influencing the 2016 election at the direction of his lawyer. and there was what prosecutors allege was doing behind the scenes. prosecutors asked mr. exclusive rights to and then sat on so the accusations against trump would not come out before the election. a process that is now known colloquially as catch and kill. it was a story the inquirer determined untrue but bought anyway so it couldn't be sold to anyone else. then there was ken mcdougal the model and actress, who like stormy daniels, alleged she had an affair with donald trump. the inquirer also bought the rights to hurt stories so she could not go public with it. and what we learned in court today is that all this behind- the-scenes maneuvering much like those bombshell cover stories was for one express purpose, to help the trump campaign. your is prosecutor stein glass. the part of the deal where you notified them so they could buy negative information about mr. trump, that part, did that pa
trump. when he said we i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. david and the national enquirer influencing the 2016 election at the direction of his lawyer. and there was what prosecutors allege was doing behind the scenes. prosecutors asked mr. exclusive rights to and then sat on so the accusations against trump would not come out before the election. a process that is now known colloquially as catch and kill. it was a story the inquirer determined untrue but bought anyway so it...
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trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or i hear anything about women selling stories, i would notify you. i would notify michael c
trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as...
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kennedy, and donald trump. other than that, for all the giant barricades erected downtown, the largest numbers present were police officers and reporters plus a couple adorable middle schoolers who came down to see the events. inside the courthouse, i started as team overflow room and through the endless grace of lisa reuben moved to the main courtroom for the second half of the day. while i have written a book about donald trump called the man who sold america for which i interviewed many a trump person and former campaign staffer, et cetera, today was the first time i have actually been in the same room with donald trump. the tormentor of black teenagers like myself in the late 1980s when the central park trial took place in the very same courthouse. what i can tell you is he's taller than you might expect and walks in a gait that is shufflier than you would think. and he's definitely a scowler. although who wouldn't be scowling facing 34 criminal counts in a case that could in theory send you to prison. i ca
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trump. pecker detailing his decades long relationship with trump, and his frequent communications with michael cohen. testifying that in that now infamous 2015 meeting, pecker agreed to publish only positive stories about trump, promising to be trump's eyes and ears. pecker going on to say how, at the time, he told the "national enquirer" leadership he wanted that agreement to be "as quiet as possible." because they were going to try to help the trump campaign. this is a big deal. the prosecution alleging a conspiracy to help trump's campaign in order to influence the outcome of the presidential election. setting out to prove that trump violated new york state election law. at one point, david pecker admitting that he bought a false story about trump fathering a child out of wedlock because of the potential embarrassment to the campaign and mr. trump. the prosecution turned to the hush money payment to karen mcdougal, a model who says she had an affair with trump. pecker recalled during this
trump. pecker detailing his decades long relationship with trump, and his frequent communications with michael cohen. testifying that in that now infamous 2015 meeting, pecker agreed to publish only positive stories about trump, promising to be trump's eyes and ears. pecker going on to say how, at the time, he told the "national enquirer" leadership he wanted that agreement to be "as quiet as possible." because they were going to try to help the trump campaign. this is a big...
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with trump. hope hicks comes in and plays prominently and part of the conspiracy to elevate trump by killing bad stories and promoting good ones and smear the opponents. it appears that you could read the papers and well aware of what the attacks seems determined to preempt all of the questions about michael cohen. >> right. and if we take a step back and leave the legal trial aspect of this for a moment, we're talking about the presumptive nominee and now a friend of donald trump's dating back to the 1980s, they met at mar-a-lago and stayed in touch frequently over the 30 years. now testifying today, publicly, telling the entire country that he sat in a boardroom in trump tower with donald trump on his first presidential run and concocted a plan which donald trump, who was pleased about in his own words, to cover up the salacious stories. that was a plan that a long time friend of his now tells the american public. and then the karen mcdougal story, to watch that testimony play out, again a long
with trump. hope hicks comes in and plays prominently and part of the conspiracy to elevate trump by killing bad stories and promoting good ones and smear the opponents. it appears that you could read the papers and well aware of what the attacks seems determined to preempt all of the questions about michael cohen. >> right. and if we take a step back and leave the legal trial aspect of this for a moment, we're talking about the presumptive nominee and now a friend of donald trump's...
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this case is a hoax, that's the donald trump position here. and yet at the same time, just in the last ten minutes, he put out a new social media post, which we're having the conversation about a trial whether donald trump has lied or not. can i just read the first line? >> yeah. >> thousands of people were turned away from the courthouse by police, literally blocks from the tiny side door from where i enter and leave. it's an armed camp to read people away. i read that because i was down there, lisa was down there. that is the furthest thing from
this case is a hoax, that's the donald trump position here. and yet at the same time, just in the last ten minutes, he put out a new social media post, which we're having the conversation about a trial whether donald trump has lied or not. can i just read the first line? >> yeah. >> thousands of people were turned away from the courthouse by police, literally blocks from the tiny side door from where i enter and leave. it's an armed camp to read people away. i read that because i...
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that there was a 2015 meeting in trump tower where he, pecker and trump hatched a plan to protect trump and hurt his opponents in his campaign for president. today, pecker called it a quote agreement among friends saying i would run or post positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. so what will trump's lawyers do with pecker on cross-examination? he did give them at least one opening. and what about their client, the former president? what he did in court today and what he did outside of it that could put him in contempt. judge merchan appeared to be fed up this morning. what he said to todd blanche. joining us now, lisa rubin. so, lisa, i call it an explosive day in court because pecker goes into great detail about the relationship he had with michael cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not
that there was a 2015 meeting in trump tower where he, pecker and trump hatched a plan to protect trump and hurt his opponents in his campaign for president. today, pecker called it a quote agreement among friends saying i would run or post positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. so what will trump's lawyers do with pecker on cross-examination? he did give them at least one opening. and what about their client, the former president? what he did in...
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trump. and lots of pro trump language throughout his entire argument. and social studies class, we learn a lot about bias and bias in the media and bias in all different sorts of stories. so it was very interesting to hear how someone actually in court was showing the same bias that we've seen in the media sometimes. >> testimony, also -- >> go ahead, owen. sorry. >> okay. his testimony also reflected how crucial this whole case michael cohen is and will be when he takes the stand in a few weeks. >> i have to ask you both very quickly, what was your impression of the former president? could you see him clearly where you were sitting? >> pretty clearly. he seemed very much more contained than he normally is. like, definitely i could see him nodding, he was nodding off at times. >> yeah. at the beginning when we were, when everyone was first setting up, he was swearing a lot then he went through periods where he was still. >> i find your observations to be really smart and interesting and hope, i don't have any doubt you're going to be in law school and y
trump. and lots of pro trump language throughout his entire argument. and social studies class, we learn a lot about bias and bias in the media and bias in all different sorts of stories. so it was very interesting to hear how someone actually in court was showing the same bias that we've seen in the media sometimes. >> testimony, also -- >> go ahead, owen. sorry. >> okay. his testimony also reflected how crucial this whole case michael cohen is and will be when he takes the...
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there's a lot of the back and forth -- >> vaughn, i'm going interrupt you because donald trump has come out of court. >> and i don't even know, a gag order. which to me is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk to people. so they can talk about me, say whatever they want. they can lie, but i'm not allowed to say anything. i just have to sit back and look at why the conflicted judge has ordered me to have a gag order. i think anybody's ever seen anything like this. i'd love to talk to you people. say everything that's on my mind, but i'm restricted because of a gag order and i'm not sure that anybody's ever seen anything like this before. and even somebody writes an article, if i read every one of these in complete, i'll look at headlines and the case is a sham. but i can't read the whole thing. i'd be reading, this is like reading a novel. so i put -- and then some of these names, somewhere deep in the article and i'm in violation of a gag order. i think it's a disgrace. it's totally unconstitutional. i don't believe it's ever not to this extent happened before. i'm not allow
there's a lot of the back and forth -- >> vaughn, i'm going interrupt you because donald trump has come out of court. >> and i don't even know, a gag order. which to me is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk to people. so they can talk about me, say whatever they want. they can lie, but i'm not allowed to say anything. i just have to sit back and look at why the conflicted judge has ordered me to have a gag order. i think anybody's ever seen anything like this. i'd...
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>>> plus, trump's attorney tieing himself in rhetorical knots, trying to defend trump's social media posts and convince the judge trump has not violated his gag order. todd blanche saying the president is being very careful and the frustrating judge responding, quote, you're losing all credibility with this court. why is he waiting to rule? >>> and taking its toll, with reporters observing trump as looking thinner and older, against many parts of today's proceedings with his eyes closed and venting his frustration on social media, what will be the impact on this trial and the race for president? we have got more on that coming up. >>> but we start with former national enquirer ceo david pecker back on the stand right now. one of the few men in the room with donald trump when the prosecution says the conspiracy at the heart of this trial was hatched. pecker testifying today about that critical trump tower meeting in which he, trump and michael cohen hashed out a plan to keep potentially damaging stories from becoming public. in pecker's words, it was mutually beneficial, helping to se
>>> plus, trump's attorney tieing himself in rhetorical knots, trying to defend trump's social media posts and convince the judge trump has not violated his gag order. todd blanche saying the president is being very careful and the frustrating judge responding, quote, you're losing all credibility with this court. why is he waiting to rule? >>> and taking its toll, with reporters observing trump as looking thinner and older, against many parts of today's proceedings with his...
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trump. we have not had him on the record, and the question is, would there come a day that david pecker would testify? and as we speak, that is what is currently happening. and michael -- david pecker, i want to read a couple specific quotes here. because he is explaining that trump tower meeting that is at the heart of this case here against donald trump. david pecker says that he told michael cohen and donald trump, quote, i said that i would also be the eyes and ears. i would notify michael cohen, and he would be able to kill, meaning kill these stories. the prosecutor from the district attorney's office asked, quote, how if at all did mr. trump react to your suggestion that you continue to do that? quote, pecker says, he was pleased. currently there is evidence being brought forward before this jury that includes those "national enquirer" headlines, the pro-trump headlines as well as the attacks on the likes of the clintons and other republican primary opponents like marco rubio and ted
trump. we have not had him on the record, and the question is, would there come a day that david pecker would testify? and as we speak, that is what is currently happening. and michael -- david pecker, i want to read a couple specific quotes here. because he is explaining that trump tower meeting that is at the heart of this case here against donald trump. david pecker says that he told michael cohen and donald trump, quote, i said that i would also be the eyes and ears. i would notify michael...
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trump. for history's sake, the prosecution said social media has boasted in the past of how many people read his posts, and he was asked in 2021, he said, yeah, i think that's right. do you want me to say no? i retweet for a reason. they are currently in break here and about to reconvene, the court, in which david pecker, excuse me, will take the stand again. as to the gag order, josÉ, judge merchan said he will reserve his judgment on whether donald trump has violated it and it's not his timeline on when he will make the determination if donald trump is find and he could warn donald trump that he could serve jail time. >> unbelievable, charles, and this is in the morning before the first witness takes the stand. how would you describe the morning? >> this is not the start you want if you are donald trump, and i have been talking to a number of us on the panel, and i am surprised that todd blanche did not have a better explanation and response for some of the questions that judge merchan ha
trump. for history's sake, the prosecution said social media has boasted in the past of how many people read his posts, and he was asked in 2021, he said, yeah, i think that's right. do you want me to say no? i retweet for a reason. they are currently in break here and about to reconvene, the court, in which david pecker, excuse me, will take the stand again. as to the gag order, josÉ, judge merchan said he will reserve his judgment on whether donald trump has violated it and it's not his...
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trump? >> that is critical. why is that critical? well, because in order for this particular crime to be a felony, they have to show that donald trump not only caused business records to be falsified, and with the intent to commit a crime, but the intent to commit that crime and to cover up kind of goes in with the election interference, with the state campaign violation, so that -- that meeting actually puts all of them together, right? and so what that meeting really does is it is going to corroborate cohen's testimony, and it is going to show that pecker's acts were on the benefit of the campaign. can a person go ahead and contribute and independently benefit a campaign? yes, they can. pecker could have caught and killed the stories, but he cannot do it, it is a violation of the law, and that there goes with the intent to commit the crime which raises the crime to a felony. he cannot do it if he is led or guided or instructed or directed by trump or his agents. trump himself was at that m
trump? >> that is critical. why is that critical? well, because in order for this particular crime to be a felony, they have to show that donald trump not only caused business records to be falsified, and with the intent to commit a crime, but the intent to commit that crime and to cover up kind of goes in with the election interference, with the state campaign violation, so that -- that meeting actually puts all of them together, right? and so what that meeting really does is it is going...