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cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he was just sort of spouting vulgarities all the time about trump he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> so as we obviously weight that testimony, there was a ruling today that i know you think could matter for trump, and this was the new york state top court overruling the harvey weinstein convictions. state of new york. i mean, it was a bombshell. just went hit this morning. people saying, wow. all right. now you want to pull it serve for your work you exposed so many of the
cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their...
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>> probably not, no. >> reporter: in his testimony, pecker said the payment orchestrator of michael cohen was dumb because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked to asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself was named as an unindicted coconspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that has never been heard before, that he engaged with hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders, then white house staffers come along with trump, about karen mcdougal's contract, raising new questins about the trump administration's implication in this case. norah? >> norah: robert costa, thank you. tonight, a stunning blow to the case that sparked the #metoo movement. disgraced movie mogul harvey wants to have his felony sex crime convictions
>> probably not, no. >> reporter: in his testimony, pecker said the payment orchestrator of michael cohen was dumb because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked to asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a...
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cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the financial decisions. so the trustee is not conveyed to say, well, trump said make it go away. he didn't say do anything illegal or he didn't say write checks. that's what they're trying to build that trump knew what was happening. >> it seems to make caitlin the defense team of trump it's now going to try to muddy the waters a bit following the prosecution's opening witnesses, david pecker what are you hearing about how trump and his legal team are going to start dealing with all of this tomorrow. >> i think the question is really how do they distance donald trump from david pecker? because what
cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the...
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then when he detailed the hearing about stormy daniels selling her story, he says he urged michael cohen to make the payment himself. he was just unwilling to make the payment in that case, he said, and that is kind of where we saw this go, caitriona. david packer for the prosecution outlining the scheme and the cover-up, sing donald trump spoke to him many times afterward, asking about why the women for example had given interviews when there was an agreement with them not to. then the defense was able to start questioning of david packer. he testified this checkbook journalism, paying to suppress stories, was standard operating procedure and he had done it with several celebrities including tiger woods and arnold schwarzenegger. caitriona: thank you. gary, this a big moment for donald trump at the supreme court, also u.s. presidency potentially protected into the future. talk to us about how the day unfolded. gary: around three hours or so of arguments before the justices, quite a long session. the essential question, does a president, does donald trump have immunity from criminal pros
then when he detailed the hearing about stormy daniels selling her story, he says he urged michael cohen to make the payment himself. he was just unwilling to make the payment in that case, he said, and that is kind of where we saw this go, caitriona. david packer for the prosecution outlining the scheme and the cover-up, sing donald trump spoke to him many times afterward, asking about why the women for example had given interviews when there was an agreement with them not to. then the defense...
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they don't want to rely on michael cohen is a star witness for the government, they don't want to put david to chris witness because you got cloud witnesses in the case of covid are people testifying favorably to trump. that's why the case -- is left out here. one juror thinks this is not worthy and hangs the case, it's a mistrial and will finish before. >> the southern district of new york, the d.o.j. doctor. manhattan da bragg sets it back into life when trump decided to run again. that's where that basically she tried to claim federal felony nor charged federal election crime violation built on new york state misdemeanors. books and records cases, the violations. take it away in very similar to the case got to think about the incentives for the future just like we ought to worry about what happens to the federal government prosecutes past presidents, how will future presidents think? would happens every da, 2000 of them in the country start deciding going to prosecute this candidate or not that candidate because i don't like them, i campaigned against them so you give red state nam
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it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative around him as sort of working exclusive pro trump and exclusively for the purposes of the election, one of the things he testified about, i believe on direct earlier today was he said that in a meeting with trump, there was no reference to trump's family, right? no reference to trump's family in that meeting, which he wasn't doing this. he wasn't wanting to suppress the stormy daniels they'll story where the karen mcdougal story on behalf of his wife, protecting his wife or his kids. it was just about his campaign that that is what the da's office is goi
it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative...
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cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway related the same type of story where he and his wife were invited to dinner with jared and ivanka, and he said the president called to say are you watching this? so he clearly was -- this is -- it's exactly the same time frame. but i think vaughn has it exactly right, which is, thank you have the d.a. sort of bringing donald trump directly through direct evidence, it's not through michael cohen, you have a witness saying i spoke to him, this was his reaction. essentially what on god's green earth are you doing? why did you release her and why is she speaking and that e
cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george...
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it also became clear that this was really between him and michael cohen. when he asked trump about it and the reimbursement he said i don't know anything about that. none of that makes a good case if anything let alone a criminal case. >> andy this was the former president also on his remarks a few moments ago. he said this about the case, listen... >> today was breathtaking in this room you saw what went on it was breathtaking. amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened and a case that should have never been filed and it was really an incredible day. open your eyes, we can't let this continue to happen to our country. >> sandra: open your eyes he said. andy, the case should never have been filed all ask you a question i asked the ladies of moment ago is becoming more and more apparent to the american public that that is indeed the case? >> it may be sandra but, you know, wanting i would caution, i agree with everything jonathan said and the other attorneys criticizing the weakness of the case but we are trained lawyers, you know, w
it also became clear that this was really between him and michael cohen. when he asked trump about it and the reimbursement he said i don't know anything about that. none of that makes a good case if anything let alone a criminal case. >> andy this was the former president also on his remarks a few moments ago. he said this about the case, listen... >> today was breathtaking in this room you saw what went on it was breathtaking. amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have...
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le pago m michael cohen 130 mil. >> asi las cosas, vamos a ver que sucede si ya le dan oportunidad a la defensa de que interrogue justamente a david pecker, es lo que le preguntan, que es lo que le cuestionan justamente a este hombre, amigo de donald trump. >> rogelio, y hoy si, todo el dia dura el juicio, a diferencia de otros dias, ¿no? >> exactamente, hoy va a te terminar a las 4 de la tarde, tiempo del este, en las otras ocasiones, el martes termino a las 2, el lunes 12 y media, pero si, hoy es jornada completa, igual que manana, octavio. >> perfecto, rogelio, muchas gracias por por esa informacion, seguimos al pendiente cuando salga el ex de este corte mientras tanto, la fiscal del estado de arizona anuncio cargos contra 18 republicanos que participaron en un intento de revertir la eleccion presidencial del 2020 a favor del expresidente donald trump. >> entre los acusados estan mark meadows, ex jefe de despacho de la casa blanca de trump, su ex abogado rudy giuliani y kelly ward quien fuera presidenta del partido republicano en arizona durante las elecciones. >> esos son cargos
le pago m michael cohen 130 mil. >> asi las cosas, vamos a ver que sucede si ya le dan oportunidad a la defensa de que interrogue justamente a david pecker, es lo que le preguntan, que es lo que le cuestionan justamente a este hombre, amigo de donald trump. >> rogelio, y hoy si, todo el dia dura el juicio, a diferencia de otros dias, ¿no? >> exactamente, hoy va a te terminar a las 4 de la tarde, tiempo del este, en las otras ocasiones, el martes termino a las 2, el lunes 12 y...
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cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a had _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used _ it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that— it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to — it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to bridge to the stormy daniets— used that to bridge to the stormy daniels payment and explain why, as they allege, michael cohen made the payment _ they allege, michael cohen made the payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's _ payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's direction. but again, back to the _ trump's direction. but again, back to the issue — trump's direction. but again, back to the issue of intent. david packer places— to the issue of intent. david packer places donald trump's concerns about the election— places donald trump's concerns about the election at the forefront of all of their— the election at the forefront of all of their conversations. he says after— of their conversations. he says after a — of their conversations. he says aftera dinner
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over and over they are discussing the fact michael cohen said the boss wants this. the boss wants that. and all of this stuff about who's going to pay for it. i mean it is comical actually. cohen didn't want to pay for it than he goes to david pecker and says get the boss to pay me back. they are saying the former president didn't want to pay for any of this stuff. but none of that, the transactions that were agreed to by stormy daniels in this case because she is the case were discussing, that was an agreement between 2 parties to not share your story, is that correct? >> right. nda's are ubiquitous that they are used all the time. stories are killed all the time. the clinton campaign was famous for that. they killed the hunter biden story, you know, you had bill clinton who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to women and some of those stories were killed by clinton people to protect him. those were not campaign contributions for the purposes of any criminal charge. so we are still left with the trial that seems to be searching for a crime. that's what is so dis
over and over they are discussing the fact michael cohen said the boss wants this. the boss wants that. and all of this stuff about who's going to pay for it. i mean it is comical actually. cohen didn't want to pay for it than he goes to david pecker and says get the boss to pay me back. they are saying the former president didn't want to pay for any of this stuff. but none of that, the transactions that were agreed to by stormy daniels in this case because she is the case were discussing, that...
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michael cohen, his former attorney, was the intermediary, and it was donald trump who and he said that he could not pay for lunch if they went together, because he had not authorized it. listen to what he said about david pecker when he was attending a campaign stop earlier today before the court testimony began in mid-town manhattan. take a listen. >> are you satisfied with the testimony of david pecker so far? >> david is a very nice guy. a very nice guy. >> and nothing to say about david pecker. the prosecution brought up that he has immunity in this particular case, and then the judge instructed jurors that they are to assess pecker's credibility as a witness based on the fact that he has immunity. we should tell you that in the course of this and going back and forth like a tennis match to present the information about donald trump and michael cohen and how donald trump's money was managed. zinhle. >> rehema ellis outside of that courthouse, and yamiche alcindor, thank you. and danny cevallos, how does this system compare to earlier in the week? >> we are hearing that some of the
michael cohen, his former attorney, was the intermediary, and it was donald trump who and he said that he could not pay for lunch if they went together, because he had not authorized it. listen to what he said about david pecker when he was attending a campaign stop earlier today before the court testimony began in mid-town manhattan. take a listen. >> are you satisfied with the testimony of david pecker so far? >> david is a very nice guy. a very nice guy. >> and nothing to...
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but you no, michael cohen responded the same. you have michael cohen one talking about the same columns, same points that trump cannot. in the presidential campaign, there's no reason michael cohen should have been part of the protection in my view. >> sandra: waiting on the gag order with the punch could be put at what are your expectations on that front? >> i think the judge will find him in violation of the gag order and will find him. he could in theory send him to jail but i don't think he will for a number of reasons mainly it would be political suicide. clearly this judge cares a lot about politics given his donations to joe biden and the stop republicans group in the past and everything about this hasn't screamed political but he knows it would make a martyr out of donald trump so i would be shocked if he went there and have the effect of tearing the country apart so i would be surprised if he went forward with that but i will expect him in some capacity. >> john: let's not forget if donald trump goes to jail his entire s
but you no, michael cohen responded the same. you have michael cohen one talking about the same columns, same points that trump cannot. in the presidential campaign, there's no reason michael cohen should have been part of the protection in my view. >> sandra: waiting on the gag order with the punch could be put at what are your expectations on that front? >> i think the judge will find him in violation of the gag order and will find him. he could in theory send him to jail but i...
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cohen paid to stormy daniels, which prosecutors here allege donald trump directed. so we've really gotten to kind of the david pecker testifying about kind of the timeline and the intent here, that this was all to help donald trump's campaign, allegedly. i spoke earlier with annemarie mcavoy — a former us federal prosecutor and legal expert on the significance of the supreme court case and why it's considered historic. it's a certainly a case of first impression. it's the first time that there's even been talk of bringing criminal charges against a president. obviously, there are a number of cases pending. and it was a fascinating discussion to hear thejustices going back and forth for a couple of hours on this issue. it seems that it's likely that they will remand it back to the district court. they there were concerns on both sides as to the scope of presidential immunity. it seems that the lawyers for trump actually acknowledge that there is no absolute immunity. and then they got into a whole discussion of what acts are private and what acts are official, and
cohen paid to stormy daniels, which prosecutors here allege donald trump directed. so we've really gotten to kind of the david pecker testifying about kind of the timeline and the intent here, that this was all to help donald trump's campaign, allegedly. i spoke earlier with annemarie mcavoy — a former us federal prosecutor and legal expert on the significance of the supreme court case and why it's considered historic. it's a certainly a case of first impression. it's the first time that...
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there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very hard for you. no explicit statement that there was a specific conversation about stormy daniels, apparently, but at least there was a conversation about the extent to which michael cohen's bonus was a concern and the fact that he had been loyal to him. the question here coming out of the lunch break is does the prosecution hone in on exactly what those conversations between those two actually meant. >> that's what's so interesting. we all know. we have covered this forever now. donald trump doesn't use e-mail. he hasn't used text until relatively recently. there's not a paper trail with donald
there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very...
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at one point pecker asked michael cohen who will pay me back for the $150,000 for karen mcdougal? and cohan said don't worry, the boss will take care of a. where do you think we are with where we have heard so far? >> pecker said he and trump had some sort of gentlemen's agreement on how this would w work. again this was a mutually beneficial relationship according to pecker. donald trump apparently sold the most magazines from them than anyone else and he said something like 80% of his "national enquirer" readers wanted donald trump to win the presidency if he ran so he saw this as an opportunity when donald trump decided to run to both help his business but also help the former president's campaign as well. as far as what we have learned so far we have learned a lot about the cd feelings of tabloid culture in new york city. we have not learned anything with respect to the crime at issue. i think the state is attempting to hone in on this vague new york election law that's says conspiring to influence an election through unlawful means, that's what they are trying to get them on.
at one point pecker asked michael cohen who will pay me back for the $150,000 for karen mcdougal? and cohan said don't worry, the boss will take care of a. where do you think we are with where we have heard so far? >> pecker said he and trump had some sort of gentlemen's agreement on how this would w work. again this was a mutually beneficial relationship according to pecker. donald trump apparently sold the most magazines from them than anyone else and he said something like 80% of his...
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it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is probably the guy with the green eye shade who will come testify at some point about accounting practices then the trump organization about how they handled and maintained their records, what they did with them, and what they knew about what the purpose of what they were doing was. that ends up being about pecker, is that he refused to pay for stormy daniels karen mcdougal was one thing, but he didn't want to pay for stormy daniels, whether it was cushy was a porn star or whatever is he said, i'm not a bank. i'm not going to pay for stormy. so that takes you out of his bank account into donald trump's
it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is...
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they say that donald trump did that even right outside of the courtroom doors in calling michael cohen a liar. and also when he spoke about david pecker calling him a nice man. prosecutors are just worried that donald trump, through these kind of statements to the press assembled here, through his social media posts, is trying to intimidate potential witnesses. the judge hasn't ruled yet if he will hold donald trump in contempt of court, though he did tell donald trump's team that their argument that he was just responding to political attacks really was losing them credibility with the court. where we're at now, though, lucy, is the first witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, he's back on the stand and he's really still laying out the groundwork of this case, helping prosecutors case that this was all about helping donald trump's campaign. he's outlining instances where his tabloid did do that and did pay hush money. the person they're speaking about right now is karen mcdougal, a former playboy model. and david pecker is really going over in detail con
they say that donald trump did that even right outside of the courtroom doors in calling michael cohen a liar. and also when he spoke about david pecker calling him a nice man. prosecutors are just worried that donald trump, through these kind of statements to the press assembled here, through his social media posts, is trying to intimidate potential witnesses. the judge hasn't ruled yet if he will hold donald trump in contempt of court, though he did tell donald trump's team that their...
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actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i michael cohen saying, we want your help on the campaign and specify that it was for the campaign that wasn't a meeting of we want i can to help because mr. concern about melania trump. trump is leaning back looking down at times at pecker as he testifies again, had the interaction between these two, given their long history, i'm going to be to be inside the mind of donald trump. what he must be thinking as he's watching david pecker right now well, the risk always when you have somebody who is known, someone for a very long time is you don't know what that person as a prosecutor, you don't don't know what th
actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i...
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as we know so far pecker has already testified to working with former trump attorney michael cohen to bury negative stories about donald trump before the 2016 election. he testified about a catch and kill deal he made with a trump tower doorman. the prosecution, keep this in mind needing to prove that the former president was directly involved in these plans and the big take away that such action was somehow illegal. the former president also accused of making payments to adult film store stormy daniels also expected to testify during this trial. listen to this her former lawyer michael after actually slamming the case, watch. >> i disagree with president trump on about 95% of the issues at a minimum. but one thing he and i agree on and that is that the politicization of these cases is uncalled for and it's flat out wrong. >> court is expected to resume at about 9:30 this morning behind me here. one major piece of information that we are awaiting is the judge's decision in the gag order. we are expecting that, according to reports today, i'm heading inside right now into the overflow
as we know so far pecker has already testified to working with former trump attorney michael cohen to bury negative stories about donald trump before the 2016 election. he testified about a catch and kill deal he made with a trump tower doorman. the prosecution, keep this in mind needing to prove that the former president was directly involved in these plans and the big take away that such action was somehow illegal. the former president also accused of making payments to adult film store...
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he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to why so long, what was the delay all about, i totally agree with what lisa said. i'd like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably wait ing around to see who was going to be the first to do it because it is scary. it is scary to indict a former president of the united states because he has and will fight like heck at every level. and losing a case, maybe one of the first cases against a former president, would be a crushing defeat. so, in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that in just the last year, once the first indic
he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to...
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to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental that'll come up when certainly on emanation that the defense will attack david pecker for that amino deal, telling the jurors and effect, you can't believe anything. >> this guy says he has an incentive to not be straight, so exactly right. >> also, it's like this cast is like the sleazy has cast. you could ever pick and so much of america is learning about tabloid journalism and what that is. >> the, how they change pictures and the symbiotic relationship and they're paying off mistresses and loved children. >> it's like this. >> i mean, i'm a journal
to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental...
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cohen. >> michael cohen really gets him in the eye or of the judges we saw before that is his attorney at least when his attorney was trying to defense trump's postings. and so it'll be a notable what the judge does. the judge has to do something to get this on control. we just started the trial and here we go and serums of the hearing about violating a gag one yeah. >> i'm not sure. i'm surprised by any of that. considering what i've learned covering donald trump for how many years, but but here we are at joey, what do you expect in terms of what we're going to see on the stand, we know that david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, going to be back up there. they have been kind of building in something have a crescendo to the point of the stormy daniel story, which we haven't really dug into yet. are you expecting that today? >> what are you looking for yeah. >> i think that's it. i think i'm looking for a couple of things. certainly we know just in terms of resetting that pecker being a person who was involved with the national enquirer, sets the stage for this en
cohen. >> michael cohen really gets him in the eye or of the judges we saw before that is his attorney at least when his attorney was trying to defense trump's postings. and so it'll be a notable what the judge does. the judge has to do something to get this on control. we just started the trial and here we go and serums of the hearing about violating a gag one yeah. >> i'm not sure. i'm surprised by any of that. considering what i've learned covering donald trump for how many...
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he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic for him especially while the judge is currently sitting and trying to decide the issue. >> tim, you're no longer on the payroll, man. meanwhile, in washington the supreme court will hear arguments this morning in the historic case involving trump and his claim of absolute presidential immunity. trump's legal team argues that presidents have immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts taken while in office. special counsel jack smith's office contends that presidents are not above the law and that even if they are eligible for immunity for some official acts, trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election was not an official presidential act. now, trump's immunity claim has already been rejected by two lower courts, and the special counsel argues that justices should send the case ba
he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic for him especially while the judge is currently sitting and trying to decide the issue. >> tim, you're no longer on the payroll, man. meanwhile, in washington the supreme court will hear arguments this...
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cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a bit up. you've seen trump watching pecker, pecker watching trump, each of them watching the other one watch. i mean, you're really getting the dynamics and the body language here. so what is your sense about how they feel about each other guys have known each other for decades, were friends? yeah. >> as much of a sense of the word is probably either one of them have friends. >> now far from it the one there was really only one light moment in court on tuesday and that was when the prosecutor just steinglass, he asked david pecker two it's basically identified donald trump, who is donald trump in the courtro
cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a...
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dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election, the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump in regards to the election. here's randi kaye about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin, suddenly got $30,000 richer. >> the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. there was a pattern that first $30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that trump
dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen...
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this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left. >> david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting. >> make a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow. on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6, case. we'll be right back his new album is
this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody...
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he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out. what i think they may do is not cross-examine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didn't think you were committing a crime, did you? and i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying you're a liar, you're in that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. and the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. >> i mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 tha
he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out....
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michael cohen is saying things to him i think that's fair game but if you're gonna say anything about a juroi if i'mng the judge, yeah, anythg about court personally their the families you endanger them i don't care what your name is what job he served before your and american you will go to jail other than that i think we just get on with the trail. >> teflon don is a slipperyilly sucker surviving bankruptcysi a access hollywood the russia hx impeachment january 6 left for w deadas and the man has 9 lives r democrats know hate such a fried because he beat hillary in thely only reason he lost a bite and was because of covid-19 and the ciovida and fbi. >> and he didn't get as many votes. >> he can play on their turf in the respa employee and his base blacks, hispanics and young people they decided to stop ed tpoliticking and just want to incarcerate the guy and they caught him they trapped him in the cage we call the courtroom a cage in these like king kong they're sending rachel maddow down therese looking at it liken animal like wow his hair is orange look at his eyes he lookh angry
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, you want the jury to thank this entire trial is a referendum on the credibility of michael cohen. so even with the women involved, stormy daniels, you could say she's it's been extortionate. she's done some crazy things. she's been inconsistent about whether they had a relationship touch it lightly, but don't make it an emphasis because you want all eyes on cohen at your best chance of getting either one are 12 jurors to ruin this thing for the prosecution devin, you've actually been in court earlier the week and then last week, this is going to be tomorrow. the first full day in court. we had the dentist appointment for an alternate juror on monday, which bear that had been a cleaning but oral hygiene is important. you had of course, passover observance as well on tuesday and also on monday now it'd be the first full day for this witness and others i'm, talking about what trump has been like in this courtroom because he's had to sit there tomorrow is de seven so he's an interesting defendant to watch because on the one hand, and i say this based in part on watching him during the
, you want the jury to thank this entire trial is a referendum on the credibility of michael cohen. so even with the women involved, stormy daniels, you could say she's it's been extortionate. she's done some crazy things. she's been inconsistent about whether they had a relationship touch it lightly, but don't make it an emphasis because you want all eyes on cohen at your best chance of getting either one are 12 jurors to ruin this thing for the prosecution devin, you've actually been in court...
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but michael cohen was a convicted liar. >> now it should be noted, yes, by his own admission michael cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. so trump is not making that part up. but it's important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. in clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the unit
but michael cohen was a convicted liar. >> now it should be noted, yes, by his own admission michael cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. so trump is not making that part up. but it's important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his...
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it is fair to say michael cohen was making furtive tapes of his own. you can expect on cross-examination the defense to attack him for that. trials are not supposed about getting someone or going after someone you like for other reasons. they're supposed to be about finding facts beyond a reasonable doubt, for getting to the truth that is some really, really strong evidence that is why the d.a. mentioned it in their opening. they might have 100 exhibits. they don't go through 100. that would bore a jury to tears. it matters so much because it shows the d.a. argue criminal intent. you don't pay large sums in cash, even in new york, even in real estate when you get up to ones of thousands of dollars. that would be bizarre indeed. donald trump has been around the block. he may know, and you may know when you take out a sum of over 10, 15k, it already creates an alert. you take 15k cash out of the atm, it creates a banking alert. that's how suspicious it is. if you take 130k out, authorities are on to it. that's not always the best idea if you don't want t
it is fair to say michael cohen was making furtive tapes of his own. you can expect on cross-examination the defense to attack him for that. trials are not supposed about getting someone or going after someone you like for other reasons. they're supposed to be about finding facts beyond a reasonable doubt, for getting to the truth that is some really, really strong evidence that is why the d.a. mentioned it in their opening. they might have 100 exhibits. they don't go through 100. that would...
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michael cohen asks, what can you do to help the campaign? an david pecker said, what can you do to help the campaign? an david peckersaid, i'll be the eyes and ears of the campaign. my organisation, the organisation i used to work for, ami, will purchase negative stories of the market, while also writing negative stories about from's rivals and also positive stories promoting donald trump —— negative stories about donald trump's rivals. it's what potential was going on while i was there but were they had no firm evidence, i only learned the structure of this with this arrangement, that forms the basis of the indictment, when the indictment was released, and it was further confirmed to me in david pecker�*s testimony yesterday when in forensic detail he went through how this deal played out. 50 detail he went through how this deal -la ed out. ., , ., played out. so for viewers that aren't familiar _ played out. so for viewers that aren't familiar with _ played out. so for viewers that aren't familiar with some - played out. so for viewe
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they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they have never had to answer before. can a former president be immune from criminal liability for his actions while he was while he was in office. this all stems, of course, from trump challenging special counsel jack smith's federal for election subversion case. let's bring in cnns, audie cornish and joan biskupic. joan, do you have any insight into how you think the justices might rule? >> well, you started off, right? this is untested, but back in the 1980s, the justices did rule in a case that involved civil immunity and said that former president richard nixon at
they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they...
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trump saying that's unconstitutional, michael cohen is attacking trump or weeks now. watch this judge on cnn. >> i think the problem this yesterday he's going to have to tighten this order up because there are instances there is a collision between the former president first amendment rights and what's happening here. i don't follow michael cohen on social media but if i were the judge, among call the prosecution aside and say i know he's not the client but he's your witness. tell him to stop posting because in a sense, he's inciting the former president. let's not a justification for violating the gag order but fair is fair and he could drop a gag order on everybody as opposed. >> the judge of the gag order, i'm not sure why he's taking so long to decide on whether trump is in contempt. there is conflict involving the judge. it's been pointed out the judge's daughter is president of this consultancy article consultancy that she previously worked for vice president kamala harris and that presidential campaign. something like 10 million from the out of shift campaign,
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about michael cohen because michael cohen has said things. but if you are going to say anything about a juror, if i were that judge, anything about court personnel or their families, you endanger them, i don't care what your name is or what job you served in before, you are an american. you will go to jail. other than that, i'd find him and we get on with the trial. >> dana: jesse watters? >> jesse: i mean, teflon don is a silly little sucker. he survived bankruptcy, access hollywood, the russia hoax, impeachment, january 6th, he was left for dead and the man has got nine lives, and the democrats know he is such a threat because he beat hillary and the only reason he lost a biden was because of covid and the cia and fbi -- >> harold: he didn't get as many votes. >> jesse: they see him as a threat because he can play on their turf and the rust belt and can play in their base with blacks, hispanics, young people. so they have decided to stop politicking and they just want to incarcerate the guy and they caught him. they trapped him in a cage, w
about michael cohen because michael cohen has said things. but if you are going to say anything about a juror, if i were that judge, anything about court personnel or their families, you endanger them, i don't care what your name is or what job you served in before, you are an american. you will go to jail. other than that, i'd find him and we get on with the trial. >> dana: jesse watters? >> jesse: i mean, teflon don is a silly little sucker. he survived bankruptcy, access...
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but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, notjust me and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. one of the key questions we keep asking is how this is affecting the campaign. yesterday it was pennsylvania voting in the presidential primary. albeit the race is run. president trump clinched his party's nomination over a month ago. and yet a sizable share of republican primary voters cast a ballot for nikki haley yesterday — she had 147,000 votes with over 90% of the vote counted. why does that matter? well, president biden won pennsylvania byjust 80,000 votes in 2020. that ivo is a sizeable protest vote? it is if we actually know who those voters are they might have been biting voters who happen to vote in the republican primary. we don't know whether you can take those 150,000 votes and say those would have otherwise gone to a republican nominee but they're now going to a democratic nominee. the fact that the races over and there's still a sizeable minority, 16 or
but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, notjust me and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. one of the key questions we keep asking is how this is affecting the campaign. yesterday it was pennsylvania voting in the presidential primary. albeit the race is run. president trump clinched his party's nomination over a month ago. and yet a sizable share of republican primary voters cast a ballot for nikki haley yesterday — she had...
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cohen and stormy daniels sleazebags, calling michael cohen a serial perjurer. but what's happening in manhattan is not even trump's biggest legal battle of the week. tomorrow, the supreme court, the us supreme court is set to hear arguments in trump's presidential immunity case. and with me now to discuss former federal prosecutor jean rossi, as well as former chief assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. karen friedman, agnifilo. karen is of council for a firm that represents michael cohen, but she has no contact with golan, does not work on his case. and there are no restrictions on what you can say about the case. we just wanted to make sure you knew that karen if court is not in session today, does it make it doesn't make it more likely that judge merchan is it's going to issue this ruling on trump's possible gag order violations. and if not, then when judge for sean has what's called a calendar day, all his other cases are on the calendar today, so he's dealing with those matters. he certainly could issue a ruling in this c
cohen and stormy daniels sleazebags, calling michael cohen a serial perjurer. but what's happening in manhattan is not even trump's biggest legal battle of the week. tomorrow, the supreme court, the us supreme court is set to hear arguments in trump's presidential immunity case. and with me now to discuss former federal prosecutor jean rossi, as well as former chief assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. karen friedman, agnifilo. karen is of council for a firm...
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some will have a lot of baggage like michael cohen. you look for, what are the tent poles of hard evidence? that paralegal is going to take the stand and talk about phone records. that's been alluded to about certain key times. you build a time line of when things happened. it can be so devastating, both in terms of just what happened when, because you -- those records don't lie. you can really place certain things in chronological order. you can obviously show that somebody's implicated. if you notice at the outset of david pecker's testimony, he was asked about his telephone numbers. they want to link up to the records they have. on october 26, just before the election, the prosecutor referenced in his opening two telephone calls between michael cohen and donald trump. right after that, michael cohen creates essential consulting, the vehicle used to pay stormy daniels. there will be a lot of pieces like that. then there are witnesses like hope hicks, where you think -- we think we know the whole story. that is somebody, like david pe
some will have a lot of baggage like michael cohen. you look for, what are the tent poles of hard evidence? that paralegal is going to take the stand and talk about phone records. that's been alluded to about certain key times. you build a time line of when things happened. it can be so devastating, both in terms of just what happened when, because you -- those records don't lie. you can really place certain things in chronological order. you can obviously show that somebody's implicated. if...
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cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on college campuses all over the united states. >> state would see on a new central every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happened with jesse l martin sunday at nine on cnn this is a hot flash this is a hot flash but this is not flash for moderate to severe vasomotor symptoms due to menopause. bls is the first and only prescription treatment that directly blocks a source of hot flashes and night sweats with 100% hormone free visa you can have fewer hot flashes and more nadph flashes. >> meals or reduces the
cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on...
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lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me, than he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson joins us now. joey how do you anticipate judge merchan is going to rule on whether trump violated his gag order yeah. bar it's good to be with you and brianna. i the way that i see it is that these are violations and so the question to me is not whether or not any of the several posts, ten and counting of course, with the one we just showed, yes, that was said before and aired after. there's no question to me that they were violations. the critical inquiry is what specific leave the judge is going to do. the trial is just underway and we're at the stage where the judge bars has to set the tone and tenor for the proceeding and just make no mistake about it. it's not only about the tone and tenor of the proceeding, it's not only about the integrity of our process, it's not only about following rules right? but t
lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me, than he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson joins us now. joey how do you anticipate judge merchan is going to rule on whether trump violated his gag order yeah. bar it's good to be with you and brianna. i the way that i see it is that these are violations and so the question to me is not...
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for michael cohen and david pecker that testified in this trial, michael cohen went to prison for lying. david pecker's statement have not been consistent. so if you have two liars that are getting a platform and can go on the alphabet soup networks at night, those that don't spell anything, only fox does, and you can't defend yourself against the lies, that a convicted liar, michael cohen is saying against you, that is the unfairness that i see here. you know, i don't know where stormy daniels falls in telling the truth or not. certainly somebody that went to prison that is your former attorney can do some real damage if you can't at least say no, this is what the truth is. you can't defend yourself. that's not just only fairness. it's an injustice and it's a reason to let this go and move on to the next. if they want to reset and say, okay, we're going to start the table all over again and from here on out, $1,000 for a thing, trump has enough to talk about. he's back on the campaign trail when he can be. he's talking american people's troubles and woes under this current administrati
for michael cohen and david pecker that testified in this trial, michael cohen went to prison for lying. david pecker's statement have not been consistent. so if you have two liars that are getting a platform and can go on the alphabet soup networks at night, those that don't spell anything, only fox does, and you can't defend yourself against the lies, that a convicted liar, michael cohen is saying against you, that is the unfairness that i see here. you know, i don't know where stormy daniels...
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again, here's what he said about a witness, michael cohen, in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers joining me now cnn legal analysts carried cordero and cnn correspondent kara scannell, who has been cnn's eyes and ears and then some inside the courtroom covering this trial, qarrah, i do want to start with you on this gag order what is the expectation? what are you hearing from your sources in the court? any sense of we don't know how it's going to come down, but even the win well, we're waiting for the judge to issue this decision yesterday after the hearing, he said he would reserve decision on this but it came after what was a at times contentious hearing with the judge becoming frustrated with donald trump's legal team trying to not responding to his questions as he put it, because prosecutors so i've said that trump has violated this gag order at least ten times. >> they have the interview that you just played a clip of trump actually gave yesterday morning on his way
again, here's what he said about a witness, michael cohen, in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers joining me now cnn legal analysts carried cordero and cnn correspondent kara scannell, who has been cnn's eyes and ears and then some inside the courtroom covering this trial, qarrah, i do want to start with you on this gag order what is the expectation? what are you hearing from...
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double standard, but giving michael cohen free reign. attorney michael terrel on this program. >> this is an attempt to harm his election chances. nothing more, nothing less. it does not make a difference if this is unconstitutional. it does not make a difference of michael cohen can basically say whatever he wants. the goal is to hurt trump's chances. the public realizes, but that's the whole goal of this proceeding. >> harris: now let's go to jonathan turley, law professor at george washington university. fox news contributor. leo terrel and i were reacting in real time. and today, it is wednesday. what goes through your mind as you say what's going to happen with the gag order? >> he's going to find him in violation of the gag order. they are not really contesting that much about the statements the president made, but the order itself. the problem is the scope of the order. i agree with that. you can have a gag order that limits what you say about aspects of the trial, but extending to someone like michael cohen, it is just facially r
double standard, but giving michael cohen free reign. attorney michael terrel on this program. >> this is an attempt to harm his election chances. nothing more, nothing less. it does not make a difference if this is unconstitutional. it does not make a difference of michael cohen can basically say whatever he wants. the goal is to hurt trump's chances. the public realizes, but that's the whole goal of this proceeding. >> harris: now let's go to jonathan turley, law professor at...
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there was points, michael cohen was the point person in this, but there was -- pecker was describing phone calls where michael cohen would say, you know, put out a story on ben carson and he would send over, you know, some information, and david pecker said they would quote, unquote embellish it at the magazine and run a story but it was story after story after story on ben carson, on ted cruz and this relationship, you know, was mutually beneficial at a point early in their relationship, you know, in the apprentice days, but this just became -- it was clear sitting there from the way david pecker was telling it, they were trying to influence the election at this point. and every time somebody was trending in the polls, one of donald trump's opponents, they would turn up the volume on the negative stories at the "national enquirer,". >> so it is probably not true there were aliens from another dimension living among us when the "national enquirer" was publishing that kind of stuff too. it gives you the level that they were talking about and the things that they were creating. >> and
there was points, michael cohen was the point person in this, but there was -- pecker was describing phone calls where michael cohen would say, you know, put out a story on ben carson and he would send over, you know, some information, and david pecker said they would quote, unquote embellish it at the magazine and run a story but it was story after story after story on ben carson, on ted cruz and this relationship, you know, was mutually beneficial at a point early in their relationship, you...
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he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of where his head's at, right? he told judge merchan, you are losing all credibility with the court. that moment, lisa mentioned, stood out to all of us who were following along with the proceedings. how unusual is it to have a judge say that to a lawyer in a hearing like this and what do you think he's going to do? >> this is the first time i've ever heard it. i mean, it's key as a lawyer, you advocate for your client, but you need to be credible. you need to come across as being credible and advocate for your client at the same time, so the fact that the judge said this is very, very po
he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of...