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that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with her fitness column, the first one. she didn't like it because the ghost writer had mentioned the benefits of vitamin d in the column. she said i want a new ghost writer which david pecker spoke on the stand today. it really kind of drove home for me, joy, that the way they structured that agreement, they were aware of the finance. >> they wanted to be paid back because they didn't want to show it on their books. they were hoping donald trump would persony give back the money, the $150,000. they were going to deduct $25,000, what seas actually getting paid to be our fitness columnist and you're
that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with...
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cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway related the same type of story where he and his wife were invited to dinner with jared and ivanka, and he said the president called to say are you watching this? so he clearly was -- this is -- it's exactly the same time frame. but i think vaughn has it exactly right, which is, thank you have the d.a. sort of bringing donald trump directly through direct evidence, it's not through michael cohen, you have a witness saying i spoke to him, this was his reaction. essentially what on god's green earth are you doing? why did you release her and why is she speaking and that e
cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george...
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there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very hard for you. no explicit statement that there was a specific conversation about stormy daniels, apparently, but at least there was a conversation about the extent to which michael cohen's bonus was a concern and the fact that he had been loyal to him. the question here coming out of the lunch break is does the prosecution hone in on exactly what those conversations between those two actually meant. >> that's what's so interesting. we all know. we have covered this forever now. donald trump doesn't use e-mail. he hasn't used text until relatively recently. there's not a paper trail with donald
there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very...
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he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to why so long, what was the delay all about, i totally agree with what lisa said. i'd like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably wait ing around to see who was going to be the first to do it because it is scary. it is scary to indict a former president of the united states because he has and will fight like heck at every level. and losing a case, maybe one of the first cases against a former president, would be a crushing defeat. so, in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that in just the last year, once the first indic
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he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic for him especially while the judge is currently sitting and trying to decide the issue. >> tim, you're no longer on the payroll, man. meanwhile, in washington the supreme court will hear arguments this morning in the historic case involving trump and his claim of absolute presidential immunity. trump's legal team argues that presidents have immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts taken while in office. special counsel jack smith's office contends that presidents are not above the law and that even if they are eligible for immunity for some official acts, trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election was not an official presidential act. now, trump's immunity claim has already been rejected by two lower courts, and the special counsel argues that justices should send the case ba
he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic for him especially while the judge is currently sitting and trying to decide the issue. >> tim, you're no longer on the payroll, man. meanwhile, in washington the supreme court will hear arguments this...
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cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yus, poking the bear quite literally. well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. >>> still ahead tonight i'll talk with congresswoman ilhan omar about the massive protests. tomorrow morning the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. for everything he did while he was president? that's next. these bills are crae has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine.
cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yus, poking the bear quite literally. well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. >>> still ahead tonight i'll talk with congresswoman ilhan omar about the massive protests....
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cohen in the stormy daniels payoff case. he is a coconspirator. what is the difference between georgia and arizona? only we don't have a tape recorded telephone call with the secretary of state of arizona. >> yeah. that obviously is a huge piece of evidence that georgia has. it is not clear yet why we have alter egos charged in arizona. but not the ego. the main principle person for whom this is done. the fake electors didn't do this on their own. people like rudy giuliani, the lawyers, they are all staffed to somebody who is the president. but it is unclear what the lack of proof is. for sure it is because they don't have enough direct evidence yet against him. but it is important to note that i stress the word yet. these are state charges regardless of who wins the presidential election. whether it is biden or trump, it doesn't matter because you cannot have a federal pardon of these cases. so these people are going to be going to trial in arizona. what tim is saying so people understand this is no joke. these charges prov
cohen in the stormy daniels payoff case. he is a coconspirator. what is the difference between georgia and arizona? only we don't have a tape recorded telephone call with the secretary of state of arizona. >> yeah. that obviously is a huge piece of evidence that georgia has. it is not clear yet why we have alter egos charged in arizona. but not the ego. the main principle person for whom this is done. the fake electors didn't do this on their own. people like rudy giuliani, the lawyers,...
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cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. so, you know, the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yes, poking the bear literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow. when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests in gaza. but first, tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. sharp, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. e he was president? that's next. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular ev
cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. so, you know, the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yes, poking the bear literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow. when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about...
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cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> poking the bear, quite literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, thank you both for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests on gazan heating up on campuses across the country. >>> tomorrow morning, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump helps is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that is next. is next. ♪♪ imagine a future where plastic is not wasted... but instead remade over and over... into the things that keep our food fresher, our families safer, and our planet cleaner. to help us get there, america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars to create innovative products and new recycling technologies
cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> poking the bear, quite literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, thank you both for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests on gazan heating up on campuses...
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but michael cohen was a convicted liar. >> now it should be noted, yes, by his own admission michael cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. so trump is not making that part up. but it's important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. in clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the unit
but michael cohen was a convicted liar. >> now it should be noted, yes, by his own admission michael cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. so trump is not making that part up. but it's important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his...
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it is fair to say michael cohen was making furtive tapes of his own. you can expect on cross-examination the defense to attack him for that. trials are not supposed about getting someone or going after someone you like for other reasons. they're supposed to be about finding facts beyond a reasonable doubt, for getting to the truth that is some really, really strong evidence that is why the d.a. mentioned it in their opening. they might have 100 exhibits. they don't go through 100. that would bore a jury to tears. it matters so much because it shows the d.a. argue criminal intent. you don't pay large sums in cash, even in new york, even in real estate when you get up to ones of thousands of dollars. that would be bizarre indeed. donald trump has been around the block. he may know, and you may know when you take out a sum of over 10, 15k, it already creates an alert. you take 15k cash out of the atm, it creates a banking alert. that's how suspicious it is. if you take 130k out, authorities are on to it. that's not always the best idea if you don't want t
it is fair to say michael cohen was making furtive tapes of his own. you can expect on cross-examination the defense to attack him for that. trials are not supposed about getting someone or going after someone you like for other reasons. they're supposed to be about finding facts beyond a reasonable doubt, for getting to the truth that is some really, really strong evidence that is why the d.a. mentioned it in their opening. they might have 100 exhibits. they don't go through 100. that would...
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some will have a lot of baggage like michael cohen. you look for, what are the tent poles of hard evidence? that paralegal is going to take the stand and talk about phone records. that's been alluded to about certain key times. you build a time line of when things happened. it can be so devastating, both in terms of just what happened when, because you -- those records don't lie. you can really place certain things in chronological order. you can obviously show that somebody's implicated. if you notice at the outset of david pecker's testimony, he was asked about his telephone numbers. they want to link up to the records they have. on october 26, just before the election, the prosecutor referenced in his opening two telephone calls between michael cohen and donald trump. right after that, michael cohen creates essential consulting, the vehicle used to pay stormy daniels. there will be a lot of pieces like that. then there are witnesses like hope hicks, where you think -- we think we know the whole story. that is somebody, like david pe
some will have a lot of baggage like michael cohen. you look for, what are the tent poles of hard evidence? that paralegal is going to take the stand and talk about phone records. that's been alluded to about certain key times. you build a time line of when things happened. it can be so devastating, both in terms of just what happened when, because you -- those records don't lie. you can really place certain things in chronological order. you can obviously show that somebody's implicated. if...
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and yesterday he was again on the attack about michael cohen. i suspect we'll see another mix from the d.a.'s office as well. >> and so depending on what they do on his claim of total immunity, they could delay further the january 6 trial by sending it back to the district court, the appeals court here. and stretch that out. and then they could do any number of things, but if they, you know, end up deciding in june before the end of the term that he has total immunity, all these cases go away. >> and i can't see them deciding that based on the law. so checks and balances which everyone learns about in civics means that the president is not able to do whatever he wants, that he has to be accountable including to prosecutors. trump has famously said that he could shoot someone on fifth avenue. he made it as a political statement, but now also trying to make that legal doctrine that he could do anything, not only avoid political consequences but avoid prosecution. and i think that even the most conservative justices are unlikely to share that view.
and yesterday he was again on the attack about michael cohen. i suspect we'll see another mix from the d.a.'s office as well. >> and so depending on what they do on his claim of total immunity, they could delay further the january 6 trial by sending it back to the district court, the appeals court here. and stretch that out. and then they could do any number of things, but if they, you know, end up deciding in june before the end of the term that he has total immunity, all these cases go...
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there was points, michael cohen was the point person in this, but there was -- pecker was describing phone calls where michael cohen would say, you know, put out a story on ben carson and he would send over, you know, some information, and david pecker said they would quote, unquote embellish it at the magazine and run a story but it was story after story after story on ben carson, on ted cruz and this relationship, you know, was mutually beneficial at a point early in their relationship, you know, in the apprentice days, but this just became -- it was clear sitting there from the way david pecker was telling it, they were trying to influence the election at this point. and every time somebody was trending in the polls, one of donald trump's opponents, they would turn up the volume on the negative stories at the "national enquirer,". >> so it is probably not true there were aliens from another dimension living among us when the "national enquirer" was publishing that kind of stuff too. it gives you the level that they were talking about and the things that they were creating. >> and
there was points, michael cohen was the point person in this, but there was -- pecker was describing phone calls where michael cohen would say, you know, put out a story on ben carson and he would send over, you know, some information, and david pecker said they would quote, unquote embellish it at the magazine and run a story but it was story after story after story on ben carson, on ted cruz and this relationship, you know, was mutually beneficial at a point early in their relationship, you...
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he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of where his head's at, right? he told judge merchan, you are losing all credibility with the court. that moment, lisa mentioned, stood out to all of us who were following along with the proceedings. how unusual is it to have a judge say that to a lawyer in a hearing like this and what do you think he's going to do? >> this is the first time i've ever heard it. i mean, it's key as a lawyer, you advocate for your client, but you need to be credible. you need to come across as being credible and advocate for your client at the same time, so the fact that the judge said this is very, very po
he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of...
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cohen for and understood that without relying entirely on michael cohen? that remains a little bit to be seen. that's part of the case i'm most looking forward to. the most important part of the case because that's the crime as barbara note td, they have to prove that he falsified business records. >> connect those dots. they have to prove that. sam, it was a bit reliving the 2016 campaign yesterday. ted cruz's father being involved somehow in the jfk assassination. to mika's question, whether it's all a joke, we all laughed at those headlines as a kid at the grocery store. there's some element of reliving all this, which is part of what the biden campaign is hoping through all these cases that people will be reminded of how exhausting and how full of lies the trump years, the trump campaign and the trump presidency were. >> yeah, first of all, i'm surprised that maura would slander the publication's good name. they've broken a few amount of alien love child. does mika have a clause in her contract if she mentions david pecker's name a number of times, a b
cohen for and understood that without relying entirely on michael cohen? that remains a little bit to be seen. that's part of the case i'm most looking forward to. the most important part of the case because that's the crime as barbara note td, they have to prove that he falsified business records. >> connect those dots. they have to prove that. sam, it was a bit reliving the 2016 campaign yesterday. ted cruz's father being involved somehow in the jfk assassination. to mika's question,...
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trump and michael cohen. mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper so the doorman couldn't take the story else where, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign the potential embarrassment. >> that was nbc's laura jarrett with that report. and joining us now is former assistant district attorney in manhattan catherine christian, and also an nbc legal analyst. thank you for joining us. let's just get your reaction to the david pecker testimony on the witness stand yesterday. how does it help the prosecution? >> it's very helpful, and it's no
trump and michael cohen. mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story...
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he talks about where michael cohen fits in it. this whole scheme rises and falls through michael cohen to donald trump, and he is at the center of it. and i think in a way his testimony is almost blase, oh, yeah, we were acting doing this and doing that, but the national enquirer was an arm of the trump campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony, and the timingea becomes so interesting, because for example this doorman had an nda that expired the month trump wins the election. you can see why this all about the election. and davidbo pecker is the first witness, he's the most important witness, he's at the center of it all. >>of the reality is that david pecker is going to be cross examined. what questions would you have for me given how thorough, and he was so matter of fact in delivering the information to the o courtroom to the jurors. what would your sort of strategy be if you're trump's defense? >> a large part of this is he had immunity. there's a reason why they have immunity. they havehey exposure. and if you have
he talks about where michael cohen fits in it. this whole scheme rises and falls through michael cohen to donald trump, and he is at the center of it. and i think in a way his testimony is almost blase, oh, yeah, we were acting doing this and doing that, but the national enquirer was an arm of the trump campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony, and the timingea becomes so interesting, because for example this doorman had an nda that expired the month trump wins the election. you can...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her...
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and that is, he is taking the weight off of michael cohen. it will be the defense actually who will try to build up the importance of cohen. prosecution doesn't have to. combination of basically setting the stage for explaining why they ended up doing what they did with stormy daniels. and, basically explaining, and the paper work. you don't need that much from cohen. so it is a pretty, it is a pretty powerful presentation. we will see how he does on cross. >> what will the defense do in try to destroy his credibility? when you are the publisher of one of the biggest lab toyed ins the world for decades there will be holes to fill. >> i guess there are. but i mean whose buddy was he? >> yes. yes. >> so i'm not sure how they will do that. i'm sure they have something. but if acts with the demeanor and the calmness that he has been showing in the courtroom and doesn't try to fight on cross and do the things you don't want witnesses to do on cross like get defensive. just stick to the facts. you can see what you have to concede. he could end up,
and that is, he is taking the weight off of michael cohen. it will be the defense actually who will try to build up the importance of cohen. prosecution doesn't have to. combination of basically setting the stage for explaining why they ended up doing what they did with stormy daniels. and, basically explaining, and the paper work. you don't need that much from cohen. so it is a pretty, it is a pretty powerful presentation. we will see how he does on cross. >> what will the defense do in...
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when did michael cohen post something, when did trump post something? so, and there was, and so, if trump is angling for something, he is going to steer it on his own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us. thank you all very much for joining us in this discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> and coming up, joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida. the president was in florida today. senator elizabeth warren says voters on every state should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. n . febreze has a microchip to control scent release so it smells first-day fresh for 50 days. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i'll never miss a day of freshness. ♪ let's get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it's the martha stewart of soil. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white pro
when did michael cohen post something, when did trump post something? so, and there was, and so, if trump is angling for something, he is going to steer it on his own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us. thank you all very much for joining us in this discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> and coming up, joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida. the president was in florida today. senator elizabeth warren says voters on every...
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michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on ted cruz. he would send me information about ted cruz or ben carson or marco rubio. that was the basis of our story and we would embellish it from there. steinglass said you would said we would like to you to run a story on the political opponent. who did you understand we to be referring to? michael cohen always told me he was not part of the campaign so i assumed he was talking to mr. trump. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. and the national enquirer were by his own admission influencing the 2016 campaign at the direction of his lawyer. then there was what prosecutors allege was doing behind the scene to help trump's campaign. today prosecutors asked mr. about two negative stories about donald trump. stories that the national enquirer purchased the exclusive rights to and then sat on so the accusations against trump would not come out before the election. a process that is now known publicly as catch and kill. the first of these involved a doorman who alle
michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on ted cruz. he would send me information about ted cruz or ben carson or marco rubio. that was the basis of our story and we would embellish it from there. steinglass said you would said we would like to you to run a story on the political opponent. who did you understand we to be referring to? michael cohen always told me he was not part of the campaign so i assumed he was talking to mr. trump. when he said we, i...
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trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, he said he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that would hurt trump. he said what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. the prosecution showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then canada trump and derogatory ones about trump's opponents in closing -- including ted cruz. he also testified his company paid a doorman $30,000 for completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper, so the doorman couldn't take the story elsewhere, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign, the potential in person -- embarrassment. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in the criminal contempt for violating the judges gag order that bars him from attacking trial witnesses. >> so they can talk about me and say whatever they want, they can live and i'm not allowed to say anything. i'd love to see everything that's on my mind. >> the defense argued that trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks and the gag order should not cover repost of
trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, he said he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that would hurt trump. he said what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. the prosecution showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then canada trump and derogatory ones about trump's opponents in closing -- including ted cruz. he also testified his company paid a doorman $30,000 for completely untrue story about mr....
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when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. >>> joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't take if you're allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections, cancers including lymphoma,
when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. >>> joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters...
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witnesses in the oval office with michael cohen, that's not helpful. if a witness says trump was meticulous in signing his checks, and wasn't a passive player that's not helpful. there's nobody the prosecution is lining up that will helpful. josh stein glass and chris conroy, they know what they are doing. so i am overwhelmingly confident donald trump is in trouble, but it is the burden of the prosecution. that's what we started off with , how important david is invalidating how important this is about otherwise why would you sign off, who cares about hush money? there needs to be some nexus, and that is what these witnesses will show. >> do you have suspicion of what they might do? >> of david-pecker? i think they are going to do everything they can to show he is a liar, that what he is saying is not only ill- informed, but he got a nonprosecution agreement, that his hand was forced, and he's trying to cover his basis by lying. it's really the only move they have. poke holes in the case, one witness at a time, and that's what they will be doing with d
witnesses in the oval office with michael cohen, that's not helpful. if a witness says trump was meticulous in signing his checks, and wasn't a passive player that's not helpful. there's nobody the prosecution is lining up that will helpful. josh stein glass and chris conroy, they know what they are doing. so i am overwhelmingly confident donald trump is in trouble, but it is the burden of the prosecution. that's what we started off with , how important david is invalidating how important this...
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michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the mar
michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the...
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and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion practice that happened that this indictment survived because a lot of people want to say there's nothing here. there's no there there. donald trump whipping out like a toddler, look at all of my friends saying there's no crime here. well, jonathan turley is not the gold standard for that. so what happened is when you heard the testimony through pecker that there was a conspiracy, and the conspiracy existed with the defendant and michael cohen, and now david pecker, and you heard that the purpose of all of these catch and kill were to insure ther
and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion...
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we know that's one of the things we expect to hear from michael cohen, but directing what? and what very clearly unfolds in david pecker's testimony is, you know, we didn't do catch and kill before 2015, which is not illegal. catch and kills are not illegal. he sees a business interest for himself and a benefit to the campaign if he writes positive stories about donald trump as a candidate, and negative stories about other candidates. and that evolves, and he starts laying out the picture, and they also provide all of the headlines coming from "national enquirer," you know, positive pour trump but negative for other candidates. but as these allegations start to arrive, the people have stories like dino the doorman and karen mcdougal, you know, all of it becomes something to help the campaign by ensuring these stories don't come out. but that's the key point, to help donald trump's campaign. it comes out in different ways over and over and over again. and if you're a member of that jury, i'm sitting there, i'm thinking that jury is thinking oh, well, this is a pretty clear -
we know that's one of the things we expect to hear from michael cohen, but directing what? and what very clearly unfolds in david pecker's testimony is, you know, we didn't do catch and kill before 2015, which is not illegal. catch and kills are not illegal. he sees a business interest for himself and a benefit to the campaign if he writes positive stories about donald trump as a candidate, and negative stories about other candidates. and that evolves, and he starts laying out the picture, and...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
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cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d.a.'s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump directly including with respect to whether it was worth it to buy karen mcdougle's story at a point in time that enquirer ceo and chief content officer, dylan howard, had already flown to california to interview mcdougle about her story. decided essentially that she was credible after which point trump calls pecker and said what do you think we should do. i also thought that it was a fascinating introduction to the world of tabloid journalism. it was like pecker was emptying the contents of his head about the lexicon and standard practices tabloid journalis
cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d.a.'s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump...
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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michael cohen directly, and that was in 2007. he seems -- the prosecution is setting up the prosecution here of where cohen was having direct contact with david pecker, and donald trump let pecker know this, if he heard from michael cohen, he was hearing from trump, and that what seems to be in the line of questioning right now, josÉ. >> so interesting. and pecker is now talking about the popularity of trump for his magazine, previous to 2015, and certainly up to the election, but it's interesting, he's saying when mr. trump launched the "celebrity apprentice," basically "the national enquirer" skyrocketed and we did research on proper covers and which celebrity, and all the time, every time we did this mr. trump would be the top choice. this is a guy who had a lot of celebrity as his commodity which helped him get to the white house. >> absolutely. that's really the great power that trump has is his ability to marshal media attention and get it to shine on him. that's always been the biggest thing. it's not managing businesses,
michael cohen directly, and that was in 2007. he seems -- the prosecution is setting up the prosecution here of where cohen was having direct contact with david pecker, and donald trump let pecker know this, if he heard from michael cohen, he was hearing from trump, and that what seems to be in the line of questioning right now, josÉ. >> so interesting. and pecker is now talking about the popularity of trump for his magazine, previous to 2015, and certainly up to the election, but it's...
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it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer," who worked with pecker, he was on with nicolle wallace yesterday. take a listen. >> august 2015, two months after donald trump goes down the escalator where they had this meeting, michael cohen and it is trump and it is david pecker and where pecker says he'll be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the organization i used to work for will purchase negative stories off the market and will run negative stories about your rivals. david pecker can really act as a tour guide for the jury. >> kristen, he takes us back to 2015, before trump was president, during the campaign. how important
it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer,"...
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one, through the testimony of michael cohen. but i was looking yesterday to hear how else are they going to prove that? they say they have a photograph of the two gentlemen at that meeting. they also have invoices days afterwards. a couple days after that, the first payment to michael cohen. but i was hoping to hear that they have a lot more than that. somebody who was also at the meeting, who overheard the meeting, who placed some of these documents in front of donald trump, heard his comments about that. i didn't hear that yesterday. i'm hoping that we hear prosecutors have a lot more about the back end of the deal as much as they do about the front end of it. >> chuck, what stood out to you? >> i'd agree with lisa but add one thing. circumstances also matter. we often talk about there being direct evidence, maybe conversations or photographs or emails of a transaction, but circumstances matter, too, willie. if you walk out of your house and there's snow on the front lawn, what do you think happened last night? it snowed. you
one, through the testimony of michael cohen. but i was looking yesterday to hear how else are they going to prove that? they say they have a photograph of the two gentlemen at that meeting. they also have invoices days afterwards. a couple days after that, the first payment to michael cohen. but i was hoping to hear that they have a lot more than that. somebody who was also at the meeting, who overheard the meeting, who placed some of these documents in front of donald trump, heard his comments...
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michael cohen has admitted he has misled in prior testimony. what are the risks the prosecution runs with starting with people who have these aassociations? >> listen, i think i'm not a lawyer but prosecutors tell me in an ideal world all of the witnesses could be nuns or librarians. that's nut the world in which -- >> not in this trial. >> not at all, right? one of the things, what they have in this trial is first-hand evidence from people. they've got a series of canceled checks from donald trump many of which were written -- made out while he was sitting in the oval office. there's audio recording that we're going to see, first-hand information. donald trump's voice. so the prosecution has a lot of things on its side. >> anthony, stay with me for the next story. concerns another legal case against donald trump. newly unsealed transcripts reveal that a high level trump white house staffer warned him that he could be indicted if he didn't return the classified documents that he took with him when leaving office. yesterday nearly 400 pages of i
michael cohen has admitted he has misled in prior testimony. what are the risks the prosecution runs with starting with people who have these aassociations? >> listen, i think i'm not a lawyer but prosecutors tell me in an ideal world all of the witnesses could be nuns or librarians. that's nut the world in which -- >> not in this trial. >> not at all, right? one of the things, what they have in this trial is first-hand evidence from people. they've got a series of canceled...
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even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally, after michael cohen on his own volition and his own reasons, decided to take out a home equity line of credit to pay a pornography star that he himself never met and never had sex with. coincidentally after michael cohen did that out of the goodness of his heart, for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, coincidentally after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of paying us on temblor that involved 35,000 other checks he signed in the oval office. it was all a coincidence and none of it had anything to do with the election. maybe. we will see. we will talk tonight about what prosecutors said about how they came up with a payment plan to cohen , personally, i unintentionally loudly snorted in court when i heard this, which was not polite and annoyed the person sitting next to me. i will apologize and explain. we will talk about the first witness whose name is david they like to test our maturity as broadcasters. he was the ceo of the company that used to run the
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and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended this catch and kill for the campaign. it was to attack political opponents. it was for david -- and this is clearly where it's going. david was asked how we operated and orchestrated the catch and kill schemes. over $10,000 that editors had to ask him if they could spend that kind of money on sources and try to get stories. he will narrate the entirety of the relationship between trump and him and the national enquirer and that's why it makes them important. >> the prosecution is hoping he will be that narrator, neal? >> absolutely. i think the aim of the prosecution and
and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended...
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so the problem is everything they want to say about michael cohen is only true about michael cohen because of donald trump because he doesn't benefit from it and of the thing he was working for that wasn't even his job. he was a fixer who is helping with the election. >> can i ask a legal question that floats around? was there a way to lawyer this properly? like was there a way to say we've got a problem here, okay? we are all in the command room. we've got these women who are making this accusation. we don't want this to get out. how do we lawyer this, so we were not committing a crime. that's not the way they think. and that people love to roll around in dirt. just like they love it. they love to be like it's all dirty, it's like awe, catch and kill, i'm writing a check. like all this none sense. i'm saying what would the lawyer version of this look like and could you lawyer it successfully such that you were not committing a crime? >> there is no super professional version of this. you don't create llcs to be able to funnel money unless you're funneling money. i mean lawyers just don't
so the problem is everything they want to say about michael cohen is only true about michael cohen because of donald trump because he doesn't benefit from it and of the thing he was working for that wasn't even his job. he was a fixer who is helping with the election. >> can i ask a legal question that floats around? was there a way to lawyer this properly? like was there a way to say we've got a problem here, okay? we are all in the command room. we've got these women who are making this...
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cohen's idea to do all of this, and i'm sorry, michael cohen took out a home equity loan of thousands upon thousands of dollars on his own in order to pay off stormy daniels? no lawyer does that, zero, the idea that he would have done it on his own out of the goodness of his own heart or something, thoroughly implausible. second, you put on the screen before, todd blanche, trump's lawyers statement saying there's nothing wrong with influencing an election, it's called democracy, that is illegally bogus department because influencing an election is sometimes legal or illegal, if you vote for someone to vote for you it's illegal, here trump is accused of trying to hide the gifts essentially to him, and avoid the transparency that the campaign-finance laws require, that's a crime every day of the week third, he says, well, these payments are for purely legal experience experiment -- expenses, and that i think, is going to be a problem we will hear a lot about over the next month, stephanie as the child goes ford because as an attorney, the last thing you want to do is overpromise in your
cohen's idea to do all of this, and i'm sorry, michael cohen took out a home equity loan of thousands upon thousands of dollars on his own in order to pay off stormy daniels? no lawyer does that, zero, the idea that he would have done it on his own out of the goodness of his own heart or something, thoroughly implausible. second, you put on the screen before, todd blanche, trump's lawyers statement saying there's nothing wrong with influencing an election, it's called democracy, that is...
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that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everythin
that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i...
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let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> jill, they're going to try to impeach michael cohen, but cohen i'm sure has more of that. he's on the phone with him saying i need to do the thing i'm accused of doing. >> not only that. one, he's pled guilty. two, they have done a very skillful opening statement. and by calling david pecker as the first witness, they are building the structure that will then lead to the supporting beams and the det
let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up...
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michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard about text messages that went back and forthwith the "national enquirer" when they went out to see karen mcdougal, one of the women who had a relationship with donald trump. they were trying to confirm if the story was true. there was an election night, a pledge that went back and for the between one of the lawyers involved that was representing karen mcdougal. we'll see a lot of that come through. and david pecker was not on the stand for very long. but just hearing the details that we got, the idea that they would, if a story, reporters were given about $10,000 to
michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they...
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trump is not -- what michael cohen did. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to the 34 charges. >> that's a lot and there's a lot we're going to get to but i should say what we witnessed over the last several hours the just the start of a hugely consequential week for the former president who is simultaneously the republican nominee, presumed nominee. certainly the front-runner for the nomination. we learned this morning what details from donald trump's past judge merchan will allow prosecutors to bring up if mr. trump takes the stand as he's claimed that he will. in another manhattan courtroom today, the question is whether the insurer that provided donald trump a $170 million bond has the financial strength to issue the guarantee. now if the judge rules against him, mr. trump will have ten days to come up with the cash. also for the first time today in the florida classified documents case, witness statemented that had been redacted have been made public. back in new york tomorrow, judge merchan will hold a hearing about t
trump is not -- what michael cohen did. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to the 34 charges. >> that's a lot and there's a lot we're going to get to but i should say what we witnessed over the last several hours the just the start of a hugely consequential week for the former president who is simultaneously the republican nominee, presumed nominee. certainly the front-runner for the nomination. we learned this morning what details from donald trump's past judge merchan will allow...
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so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that. in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >>
so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose...