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cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he was just sort of spouting vulgarities all the time about trump he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> so as we obviously weight that testimony, there was a ruling today that i know you think could matter for trump, and this was the new york state top court overruling the harvey weinstein convictions. state of new york. i mean, it was a bombshell. just went hit this morning. people saying, wow. all right. now you want to pull it serve for your work you exposed so many of the
cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their...
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cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the financial decisions. so the trustee is not conveyed to say, well, trump said make it go away. he didn't say do anything illegal or he didn't say write checks. that's what they're trying to build that trump knew what was happening. >> it seems to make caitlin the defense team of trump it's now going to try to muddy the waters a bit following the prosecution's opening witnesses, david pecker what are you hearing about how trump and his legal team are going to start dealing with all of this tomorrow. >> i think the question is really how do they distance donald trump from david pecker? because what
cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the...
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it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative around him as sort of working exclusive pro trump and exclusively for the purposes of the election, one of the things he testified about, i believe on direct earlier today was he said that in a meeting with trump, there was no reference to trump's family, right? no reference to trump's family in that meeting, which he wasn't doing this. he wasn't wanting to suppress the stormy daniels they'll story where the karen mcdougal story on behalf of his wife, protecting his wife or his kids. it was just about his campaign that that is what the da's office is goi
it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative...
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it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is probably the guy with the green eye shade who will come testify at some point about accounting practices then the trump organization about how they handled and maintained their records, what they did with them, and what they knew about what the purpose of what they were doing was. that ends up being about pecker, is that he refused to pay for stormy daniels karen mcdougal was one thing, but he didn't want to pay for stormy daniels, whether it was cushy was a porn star or whatever is he said, i'm not a bank. i'm not going to pay for stormy. so that takes you out of his bank account into donald trump's
it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is...
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actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i michael cohen saying, we want your help on the campaign and specify that it was for the campaign that wasn't a meeting of we want i can to help because mr. concern about melania trump. trump is leaning back looking down at times at pecker as he testifies again, had the interaction between these two, given their long history, i'm going to be to be inside the mind of donald trump. what he must be thinking as he's watching david pecker right now well, the risk always when you have somebody who is known, someone for a very long time is you don't know what that person as a prosecutor, you don't don't know what th
actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i...
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cohen. >> however, michael cohen overnight was tweeting about him and this gaggle border, but he said this, he said despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald until after my trial testimony. so it seems that he is no longer going to be tweeting about his former boss. he of course, is going to be a main way witness in this case. but as you said, ajahn, first order or maybe if maybe second order of business, we'll see is testimony continuing of the former national enquirer publisher, david pecker. he was getting into the details about karen mcdougal, how they learned about that alleged fair the process of possibly a bearing that story, and we fully we expect him to get to the heart of this case, which is the alleged affair with stormy daniels, will certainly have some details later today, john. >> yeah, a lot of it could happen very quickly once trial resumes this morning, bring and grass great to have you there. thank you. >> kate and that is the case in new york. we also have two other legal h
cohen. >> however, michael cohen overnight was tweeting about him and this gaggle border, but he said this, he said despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald until after my trial testimony. so it seems that he is no longer going to be tweeting about his former boss. he of course, is going to be a main way witness in this case. but as you said, ajahn, first order or maybe if maybe second order of...
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to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental that'll come up when certainly on emanation that the defense will attack david pecker for that amino deal, telling the jurors and effect, you can't believe anything. >> this guy says he has an incentive to not be straight, so exactly right. >> also, it's like this cast is like the sleazy has cast. you could ever pick and so much of america is learning about tabloid journalism and what that is. >> the, how they change pictures and the symbiotic relationship and they're paying off mistresses and loved children. >> it's like this. >> i mean, i'm a journal
to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental...
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cohen. >> michael cohen really gets him in the eye or of the judges we saw before that is his attorney at least when his attorney was trying to defense trump's postings. and so it'll be a notable what the judge does. the judge has to do something to get this on control. we just started the trial and here we go and serums of the hearing about violating a gag one yeah. >> i'm not sure. i'm surprised by any of that. considering what i've learned covering donald trump for how many years, but but here we are at joey, what do you expect in terms of what we're going to see on the stand, we know that david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, going to be back up there. they have been kind of building in something have a crescendo to the point of the stormy daniel story, which we haven't really dug into yet. are you expecting that today? >> what are you looking for yeah. >> i think that's it. i think i'm looking for a couple of things. certainly we know just in terms of resetting that pecker being a person who was involved with the national enquirer, sets the stage for this en
cohen. >> michael cohen really gets him in the eye or of the judges we saw before that is his attorney at least when his attorney was trying to defense trump's postings. and so it'll be a notable what the judge does. the judge has to do something to get this on control. we just started the trial and here we go and serums of the hearing about violating a gag one yeah. >> i'm not sure. i'm surprised by any of that. considering what i've learned covering donald trump for how many...
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cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a bit up. you've seen trump watching pecker, pecker watching trump, each of them watching the other one watch. i mean, you're really getting the dynamics and the body language here. so what is your sense about how they feel about each other guys have known each other for decades, were friends? yeah. >> as much of a sense of the word is probably either one of them have friends. >> now far from it the one there was really only one light moment in court on tuesday and that was when the prosecutor just steinglass, he asked david pecker two it's basically identified donald trump, who is donald trump in the courtro
cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a...
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dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election, the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump in regards to the election. here's randi kaye about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin, suddenly got $30,000 richer. >> the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. there was a pattern that first $30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that trump
dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen...
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this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left. >> david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting. >> make a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow. on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6, case. we'll be right back his new album is
this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody...
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he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out. what i think they may do is not cross-examine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didn't think you were committing a crime, did you? and i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying you're a liar, you're in that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. and the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. >> i mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 tha
he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out....
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, you want the jury to thank this entire trial is a referendum on the credibility of michael cohen. so even with the women involved, stormy daniels, you could say she's it's been extortionate. she's done some crazy things. she's been inconsistent about whether they had a relationship touch it lightly, but don't make it an emphasis because you want all eyes on cohen at your best chance of getting either one are 12 jurors to ruin this thing for the prosecution devin, you've actually been in court earlier the week and then last week, this is going to be tomorrow. the first full day in court. we had the dentist appointment for an alternate juror on monday, which bear that had been a cleaning but oral hygiene is important. you had of course, passover observance as well on tuesday and also on monday now it'd be the first full day for this witness and others i'm, talking about what trump has been like in this courtroom because he's had to sit there tomorrow is de seven so he's an interesting defendant to watch because on the one hand, and i say this based in part on watching him during the
, you want the jury to thank this entire trial is a referendum on the credibility of michael cohen. so even with the women involved, stormy daniels, you could say she's it's been extortionate. she's done some crazy things. she's been inconsistent about whether they had a relationship touch it lightly, but don't make it an emphasis because you want all eyes on cohen at your best chance of getting either one are 12 jurors to ruin this thing for the prosecution devin, you've actually been in court...
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they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they have never had to answer before. can a former president be immune from criminal liability for his actions while he was while he was in office. this all stems, of course, from trump challenging special counsel jack smith's federal for election subversion case. let's bring in cnns, audie cornish and joan biskupic. joan, do you have any insight into how you think the justices might rule? >> well, you started off, right? this is untested, but back in the 1980s, the justices did rule in a case that involved civil immunity and said that former president richard nixon at
they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they...
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cohen and stormy daniels sleazebags, calling michael cohen a serial perjurer. but what's happening in manhattan is not even trump's biggest legal battle of the week. tomorrow, the supreme court, the us supreme court is set to hear arguments in trump's presidential immunity case. and with me now to discuss former federal prosecutor jean rossi, as well as former chief assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. karen friedman, agnifilo. karen is of council for a firm that represents michael cohen, but she has no contact with golan, does not work on his case. and there are no restrictions on what you can say about the case. we just wanted to make sure you knew that karen if court is not in session today, does it make it doesn't make it more likely that judge merchan is it's going to issue this ruling on trump's possible gag order violations. and if not, then when judge for sean has what's called a calendar day, all his other cases are on the calendar today, so he's dealing with those matters. he certainly could issue a ruling in this c
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cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on college campuses all over the united states. >> state would see on a new central every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happened with jesse l martin sunday at nine on cnn this is a hot flash this is a hot flash but this is not flash for moderate to severe vasomotor symptoms due to menopause. bls is the first and only prescription treatment that directly blocks a source of hot flashes and night sweats with 100% hormone free visa you can have fewer hot flashes and more nadph flashes. >> meals or reduces the
cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on...
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lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me, than he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson joins us now. joey how do you anticipate judge merchan is going to rule on whether trump violated his gag order yeah. bar it's good to be with you and brianna. i the way that i see it is that these are violations and so the question to me is not whether or not any of the several posts, ten and counting of course, with the one we just showed, yes, that was said before and aired after. there's no question to me that they were violations. the critical inquiry is what specific leave the judge is going to do. the trial is just underway and we're at the stage where the judge bars has to set the tone and tenor for the proceeding and just make no mistake about it. it's not only about the tone and tenor of the proceeding, it's not only about the integrity of our process, it's not only about following rules right? but t
lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me, than he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson joins us now. joey how do you anticipate judge merchan is going to rule on whether trump violated his gag order yeah. bar it's good to be with you and brianna. i the way that i see it is that these are violations and so the question to me is not...
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again, here's what he said about a witness, michael cohen, in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers joining me now cnn legal analysts carried cordero and cnn correspondent kara scannell, who has been cnn's eyes and ears and then some inside the courtroom covering this trial, qarrah, i do want to start with you on this gag order what is the expectation? what are you hearing from your sources in the court? any sense of we don't know how it's going to come down, but even the win well, we're waiting for the judge to issue this decision yesterday after the hearing, he said he would reserve decision on this but it came after what was a at times contentious hearing with the judge becoming frustrated with donald trump's legal team trying to not responding to his questions as he put it, because prosecutors so i've said that trump has violated this gag order at least ten times. >> they have the interview that you just played a clip of trump actually gave yesterday morning on his way
again, here's what he said about a witness, michael cohen, in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers joining me now cnn legal analysts carried cordero and cnn correspondent kara scannell, who has been cnn's eyes and ears and then some inside the courtroom covering this trial, qarrah, i do want to start with you on this gag order what is the expectation? what are you hearing from...
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again and the same witness, his former attorney, michael cohen. here's what he said my cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me then he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me elliott, this was not brought up in court. >> it's happening afterwards is this another violation of the order and can the judge look at this even though it wasn't brought up in court as another potential fine or worse? >> well, sir. >> thank you, sir. uh, certainly. even if the judge doesn't choose a look at it, i bet you the prosecutors will bring it to the judge's attention now, the michael cohen world of statements, and there are many, many of them are in a slightly different class and some other statements that the president made because of the fact that there actually is back-and-forths sniper thing happening in the press between the former president and michael cohen that the president, at l
again and the same witness, his former attorney, michael cohen. here's what he said my cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me then he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me elliott, this was not brought up in court. >> it's happening afterwards is this another violation of the order and can the judge...
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cohen? again, this is what cnn affiliate, wpvi, the interview was conducted before the contempt hearing yesterday, but it aired afterward. and tim parlatore told me last hour that he thinks the only thing helping trump with this one, this re-offending is maybe that trump did the interview before he sat before the judge yesterday. do you agree that's a good job by tim, i guess come up with something but it was a violation of the gag order before the day started and after the hearing as well i mean, this whole defense that we heard from todd blanche of well, he doesn't think that the gag orders fair or he's just defending himself. >> that's fine. but it's still an order of the court. you don't get to violate it because well, i thought it was necessary to violate it or well, i felt the need to violate it. none of that's going to fly to me, so i think tim's right, i guess that's the best argument donald trump could have about why it was not as flagrant, maybe as it would have been if he had done
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cohen, listen michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was alert for many people, not just me then he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me joining me right now is former attorney for president trump, tim parlatore. >> tim, thank you for getting up early after a late night to help me out. trump, as i said, trump did this interview with the cnn affiliate before the contempt hearing. it didn't air until last night. how big of a problem is this one going to be for trump and also his legal team now i mean, i think that this this interview to me does seem to be a direct violation of the order as it is written and so i think it's problematic for them, especially this airs while the judges currently sitting and trying to decide the issue so the fact that it happened before the hearing, i think helps at least a little bit. i mean, if he had done that interview live yet last night after the hearing then i think the judge would have no choice. >>
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. >> run brownstein, a lot of this involves michael cohen, right? >> and i think this is the wall street journal editorial board pose this question yesterday, and it sort of has stuck in my head like on the one hand, this gag order bands talking about the jury, right? >> which trump has gone out and done, right. he has said they're all liberals, right? potentially inviting attacks on what would otherwise be anonymous citizens going about their daily lives, right? >> okay. that on the one hand, the other hand, you have michael cohen, who has been a political actor in this space, who has gone to prison, has been involved with donald trump for a long time and is out there attacking donald trump. de see a distinction between these and does donald trump have an argument to say it's not fair? fair to keep me from attacking him when he's attacking me. >> and the judge and the judge is family don't forget. >> of course. i would set that in with the jury. i mean, that's why i mean, we've never had a former president facing criminal charges and wireless runni
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witnesses like michael cohen, who is his former fixer. that's exactly what trump did in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi, which was taped just before the hearing. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers also in the spotlight, the prosecution's first witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, in his testimony, he described under oath the catch and kill scheme, saying that he would look for negative stories about trump by the rights and then bury them stories like the one about former adult-film star stormy daniels joining me now, trial attorney, former assistant de host, and legal analysts for the law and crime network, imran on sorry, amara, good morning to you. >> thank you so much for being here. let's start with the gag order hearing because this of course, the judge's not said what he's gonna do one way or the other. or here, but trump is continuing to go out and make these kinds of comments the losing all credibility remar
witnesses like michael cohen, who is his former fixer. that's exactly what trump did in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi, which was taped just before the hearing. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers also in the spotlight, the prosecution's first witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, in his testimony, he described under oath the catch and kill scheme, saying that he...
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cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this is where they talk about the august 2015 meeting between donald trump, michael cohen, hope hicks is in there for a period of time, and david pecker, the prosecutor, josh steinglass, asked, well, can you describe for the jury what happened to that meeting? please? pecker responds at that meeting, donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazines could do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i previously, i said what i would do is that was run or publish positive stories about mr. trump, and i would publish negative stories about his opponents i said
cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this...
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that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up that according to cohen and we're oh, and will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing down his neck. very closely following the karen mcdougal. >> he talked about how he would sit with trump
that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in...
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michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run some companies. they say mr. trump's pitbull that in his um, his right-hand man when trump's campaign lit up co-insurance karpin does tie. you guys are down and it makes sense that there would most of them, all of them and trump return the favor, michael cohen is a very talented lawyer, is a good lawyer in my firm as claims of improper hush money emerged, trump initially included cohen and his denials of any wrongdoing, like with this crazy stormy daniels deal hey represented me and, you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong when headlines warned that cohen might help prosecutors. >>
michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run...
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cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the okay. what's the crime? okay. so fine. there they're working hand-in-hand to have some influence on an election. here's, we've been here for an hour, right? here's what i would like to know. i still don't exactly know what the secondary crime is. we heard that there's this misdemeanor that only lives because the statute of past only lives if there's a felony. my friends says that it's state election law. the professor says it's tax law many other people say it's federal election law. it is. and that's why this case has to be very upset. and if it was barack obama sitting there with the same charges
cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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cohen because michael cohen is out there tweeting constantly. there is nothing donald trump is going to say in any of these interviews, short of saying, hey michael, when you testify, we're going to kill you short of saying that he's not going to say anything that's going to intimidate michael cohen or in any way affect these proceedings. so i do think that there's an argument to be made that especially when michael cohen is out there, kind of inviting this through his own commentary that it is too broad. now, i don't think this judge is going to necessarily sit there and say, oh, you know what, you're right, you violated this order. and now i see that it's been too broad, so okay. i'm just going to pull the order back. then. i'm going to happen now. it's it's good maybe for an appeal but if the judge is going to put them straight into rikers island i don't think that the appeals court is going to deal with it quickly enough for the idea of what a punishment could possibly be. and again, we're waiting to hear what the judge actually is going to
cohen because michael cohen is out there tweeting constantly. there is nothing donald trump is going to say in any of these interviews, short of saying, hey michael, when you testify, we're going to kill you short of saying that he's not going to say anything that's going to intimidate michael cohen or in any way affect these proceedings. so i do think that there's an argument to be made that especially when michael cohen is out there, kind of inviting this through his own commentary that it is...
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he'd call michael cohen and asked michael cohen what to do. and michael cohen according to david pecker and will hear the cross-examine and what michael cohen has to say about this. but he would say well, let me call the boss and see what he wants to do with the karen mcdougal story with it? other stories. >> what do you want to do about this? >> ironically, this is the kind of scandal that the national enquirer, one of exposed in almost any other scenario. the enquirer had a history for all its flaws, for all of its faults of reporting on politicians on both sides of the aisle. for exposing scandals and controversies and polit politicians. >> words they didn't in this. >> example but instead pecker because he was go ahead, are long relationship with trump and saw a benefit to that enquirer decided to pick a horse, right aside to get in line with trump and create a pro-trump propaganda outlet, which is really what the enquirer was. but he's never fessed up to this until today in court it's not just that part. i mean, if it were just that, then
he'd call michael cohen and asked michael cohen what to do. and michael cohen according to david pecker and will hear the cross-examine and what michael cohen has to say about this. but he would say well, let me call the boss and see what he wants to do with the karen mcdougal story with it? other stories. >> what do you want to do about this? >> ironically, this is the kind of scandal that the national enquirer, one of exposed in almost any other scenario. the enquirer had a...
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cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel, couldn't be seen as john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but that does provide more details, even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this is where they talk about the august 2015 meeting between donald trump, michael cohen hope hicks is in there for a period of time, and david pecker, the prosecutor, josh steinglass, asked, well, can you describe for the jury what happened to that meeting? please? pecker responds at that meeting, donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazine could do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i previously, i said, what i would do is that was run or publish positive stories about mr. trump, and i would publish negative stories about his opponents i s
cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel, couldn't be seen as john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but that does provide more details, even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses....
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often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start straight off with you. so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the b
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i've seen, including mike conversations with michael cohen. he has been very carefully and precisely accurate in what he said. >> interesting david pecker testified today that trump was very detailed, oriented. he said one time trump's office, trump was given invoices and checks to sign and pecker, quote notice that he referring to trump review the invoice and looked at the check and he would sign them. how key is that testimony you think david to proving these charges against trump? >> well, trump's insistence is i had nothing to do with this. >> michael cohen, he's the one who went and did this deal and the fact that there are the audio recordings that were made by michael cohen and menn pecker's testimony. pecker is not been charged with any crime he has immunity so long as he tells the truth, he will not be charged with any crime so he has a great deal of weight to the documents and the audio recordings david, you've covered trump extensively over these many, many years and you say he's not a strong internal person what sort of impact coul
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cohen in 2015. where they asked, what can i do and what my magazine could do to help the campaign pecker testified that he responded saying what i would do is i would run or publish positive stories about mr. trump and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. i said i would be your eyes and ears. he told the jury he saw the agreement as mutually beneficial. it would help his campaign and it would also help me pecker said he began meeting with colin a minimum of every week. and if there was an issue, could be daily. he said he would go directly to cohen when confronted with a negative story about trump the prosecution question pecker in detail about a doormat who tried to sell a story about trump allegedly fathering a child with another woman as trump sat in court and shook his head. pecker said he directed the editor of the enquirer to negotiate a number a price to buy the story and take it off the market. the door man it's paid $30,000 for the story, even though it later proved to be f
cohen in 2015. where they asked, what can i do and what my magazine could do to help the campaign pecker testified that he responded saying what i would do is i would run or publish positive stories about mr. trump and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. i said i would be your eyes and ears. he told the jury he saw the agreement as mutually beneficial. it would help his campaign and it would also help me pecker said he began meeting with colin a minimum of every week. and if...
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cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears of trump's 2016 campaign. pecker would notify cohen if women selling negative stories about trump emerged with pecker woodpecker anticipated would happen. cohen would then try to find a way to kill the story of a lot of damaging testimony from this friend of but both politically and legally politically. again, if this breakthrough out there, the competition, the election is going to be decided by nikki haley voters, for example, or suburban swing voters, for example and just trump's relationship with a tabloid, buying these kind of stories. that's not going to sell very well with them. so that'll be part of
cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
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michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the defense has a chance to argue to him, but there was one moment as this got underway gym where trump's attorneys came into the room that prosecutors came into the room. judge, took the bench and then those attorneys and the judge went into a side room. it's not clear to us yet what they were discussing, but trump was sitting alone at the defense table while that was happening. they have now returned to the room and they are going through this essentially asking the judge to find a way to make trump's stop violating this g
michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the...
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cohen, despite the fact, of course that cohen has been all over the issue with trump's. so i think the judge will probably look at some type of admonishment. i think he's going to say, look, are you trying to intimidate jurors that doesn't seem to be the case. mr. district attorney, because we picked a jury fairly easily without much consequence, we were able to get them in the box within a week. and then, you know, whether or not they're spent some effort to intimidate witnesses. and i think that's an uphill battle to for the district attorney's office. so have there been technical violations and say yes, i mean, but at the same time, even if you read his april the first-order, i believe it was where he talks about the judge talks about that there is a first amendment right. this is a political sees that he has the defendant trump has a chance to respond to attacks and that type of thing, the argument will be made likely by trump's team that the comments by cohen and about cohen are sort of for tat and what may be good for the goose is good for the gander but it wouldn'
cohen, despite the fact, of course that cohen has been all over the issue with trump's. so i think the judge will probably look at some type of admonishment. i think he's going to say, look, are you trying to intimidate jurors that doesn't seem to be the case. mr. district attorney, because we picked a jury fairly easily without much consequence, we were able to get them in the box within a week. and then, you know, whether or not they're spent some effort to intimidate witnesses. and i think...
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trump was saying stuff about michael cohen after court ended, michael cohen responded in a tweet essentially saying that he had desperation attacks with his words. so we'll see if that even plays into the today's hearing. but that is what the gag order will sort of be covered and see how much, if any, donald trump has violated it according to the judge and then after this, then they get back to the trial at hand and they get back to another witness, not michael cohen, the first witness in this case, which is david. he's back on the stand. he was only briefly on the stand yesterday. brynn, what did we learn then? what is going to pick? how's it going to pick up to now? >> yeah, you're right. so they only got into a little bit of hu david is for these jersey, is that former publisher of the national enquirer? he is on the stand under subpoena. his lawyer is also in that courtroom. >> and what we essentially are going to learn is what the prosecution laid out for us in the opening statements, how davidai good, according to them, is a coconspirator in this scheme to sort of catch and kill storie
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cohen, because let's show everyone what michael cohen had to say on twitter back to donald trump. >> i'm not going to read it just because our discourses is what it is. i'm not going to be the beginning of it. he just says your attacks on me, stink of desperation. you can read the rest of it. we're all hoping that you take the stand in your defense. it does seem like there should be a difference between michael cohen and the jury pool in terms of what trump is allowed to do, perhaps because cohen is already someone who has been dragged into this very publicly the entire time. do you see a distinction and how do you think the judge is going to handle it? >> okay. i do see a distinction practically because michael cohen is poking the bear and he's getting under donald trump skin and that's why donald trump had that little press conference. what bothers me is that when donald trump made that statement last night to his left, was his lawyer that troubles me greatly because the because the lawyer is condoning conduct that arguably is violating a gag order. and i guarantee you the judge me
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cohen all it comes back to michael cohen. >> jim schultz. i thank you very much for joining us this morning. i really appreciate it. i hope you come back soon thank you all right. time now for spore, it's a wild buzzer beater, a capsule, 20 point comeback for the defending nba champion nuggets over lebron james and the lakers. caroline nano has all the plan of action in this morning's bleacher report, caroline, good morning. >> kasie. good morning. well, if you went to bed early, like many people did probably watching us at this hour, you missed an absolute thriller in a few of these playoff games actually, it was a wild night and sports the lakers were in control for most of last night's game to against the nuggets, they were actually up like 20 in the third quarter, but denver just kept chipping away & shipping away. thanks in large parts of jamal murray after missing 13 of his first 16, you have 14 of his 20 points in the fourth porter and none of them bigger than a step back fadeaway jumper over anthony davis at the buzzer to give his se
cohen all it comes back to michael cohen. >> jim schultz. i thank you very much for joining us this morning. i really appreciate it. i hope you come back soon thank you all right. time now for spore, it's a wild buzzer beater, a capsule, 20 point comeback for the defending nba champion nuggets over lebron james and the lakers. caroline nano has all the plan of action in this morning's bleacher report, caroline, good morning. >> kasie. good morning. well, if you went to bed early,...
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>> michael cohen. this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case russia's new it girl, stink television now fawning over marjorie taylor greene, even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are thank tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie and melania trump. now selling more jewelry. >> is it to help her husband pay his legal fees let's go out the front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. we begin with trump's trials spilling out of the courtroom on a de, when the prosecution and defense laid out their cases for the first time to 12 jurors and the six alternates in the room. and it's on this momentous de that former president trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, are now in a free-for-all? know did actually start in the courtroom. >> it was during opening statements, trump was watching as his lawyers were tearing into the key wetness they said, quote, his entire financial livelihood depends on president trump's destruction referring to cohen so that was
>> michael cohen. this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case russia's new it girl, stink television now fawning over marjorie taylor greene, even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are thank tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie and melania trump. now selling more jewelry. >> is it to help her husband pay his legal fees let's go out the front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront...
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michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the third, the former chief judge for the us middle district of pennsylvania, joe jones. appreciate you being back with us. what was your biggest takeaway from opening statements? >> well, it's interesting i think the opening statements we're not unexpected there's a lot that the prosecution didn't say and i'm curious about that i think they're kind of playing hide the ball, not inappropriately with some witnesses. i agree with your panelists and hope hicks this is going to be a very interesting and, maybe a pivotal witness to tie the form
michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the...
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trump denies the affair and has pleaded not guilty, but trump's former attorney, michael cohen, swore under oath that he made the payments in order to affect the outcome of the election cohen, though, was convicted of perjury in a separate case, the edwards case had its own star witness, a close aide to the former senator who testified to helping edwards keep that a fair secret. but prosecutors did not prove their claim. the cover up was about the alleged section the woman with whom edwards had the affair real hunter told cnn edwards did not want the truth to hurt his wife. >> the issues for internal family and. she was trying to hide it from elizabeth try not to hurt anybody. >> he didn't want to hurt elizabeth. or his family a key difference could be the timing of the alleged affairs and subsequent payoffs, which might help spell out the payments intent edwards affair occurred during the 2008 campaign with at least one payment happening after the election was over, long after edwards dropped out of the race in trump's case, the alleged affair happened in 2006, years before he ran fo
trump denies the affair and has pleaded not guilty, but trump's former attorney, michael cohen, swore under oath that he made the payments in order to affect the outcome of the election cohen, though, was convicted of perjury in a separate case, the edwards case had its own star witness, a close aide to the former senator who testified to helping edwards keep that a fair secret. but prosecutors did not prove their claim. the cover up was about the alleged section the woman with whom edwards had...
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so, michael cohen is going to bleed believable. he took a three-year jail sentence for this alleged scheme. trump is saying it's an alleged scheme. michael cohen was saying it happened so they could have tackled the beast because trump is going to come out and say immediately, michael, mike trump's lawyers. and when michael cohen gets on the stand& cross examination, you're a liar. you're a convicted liar. you've lied over and over again. the de needs to have michael cohen say what she will it's part of his testimony. i may have lied at other times, but i'm not lying here because i pled guilty to doing this. i didn't even go to trial. that's why is that? >> that's the one point i would make to that is i think they strategically in my view, avoided that and i think they were to read seasons that they did that excellent point you make and i get it, but i think they were in that room fighting. >> should we should we i think the first reason is you don't want to put over reliance upon his testimony. yes, he's the elephant in the room,
so, michael cohen is going to bleed believable. he took a three-year jail sentence for this alleged scheme. trump is saying it's an alleged scheme. michael cohen was saying it happened so they could have tackled the beast because trump is going to come out and say immediately, michael, mike trump's lawyers. and when michael cohen gets on the stand& cross examination, you're a liar. you're a convicted liar. you've lied over and over again. the de needs to have michael cohen say what she will...