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donald trump called his shot month ago. he said my supreme court justices will never let this happen to me, and he was absolutely right. so with that information, my question to the american people is now, what are you prepared to do? because the supreme court has exposed itself as a partisan institution full of hacks that will do everything in their power to protect donald trump and make sure that a republican can be elected, not just in the next election, but in every election going forward. so what are we going do about that? my answer to that obviously is you cannot do anything in this country unless you expand the supreme court to take away their power and as you say, start removing some of these conservative justices who have already exposed themselves as criminals and liars. >> in many senses also perjurers before the united states senate when they got up and said stare decisis and lied about respecting precedent when it came to roe v. wade. lied to the faces of senators and got away with it. professor, elena kagan,
donald trump called his shot month ago. he said my supreme court justices will never let this happen to me, and he was absolutely right. so with that information, my question to the american people is now, what are you prepared to do? because the supreme court has exposed itself as a partisan institution full of hacks that will do everything in their power to protect donald trump and make sure that a republican can be elected, not just in the next election, but in every election going forward....
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it is donald trump who's a defendant today. i'm curious with your experience what you thought about that, director brennan, and be, doug, you can weigh in on all of it. >> yes. no president has ever been implicated in any type of coup or trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after an election. during the obama administration president obama had to make a decision about carrying out a strike against a senior al qaeda leader who happened to be a u.s. citizen. he decided he wanted to do it in order to protect the national security of the united states. he didn't worry about criminal liability, whatever else and the fact that he didn't have immunity. he recognized he had to fulfill the office of the presidency to make sure he did what he was authorized to do under the law. >> douglas? >> yeah. i mean, look, i thought justice alito was deeply irresponsible to even throw s.e.a.l. team six into this. they're more than honorable, they're heroes to the american people. to kind of start playing this game of, you know, they wou
it is donald trump who's a defendant today. i'm curious with your experience what you thought about that, director brennan, and be, doug, you can weigh in on all of it. >> yes. no president has ever been implicated in any type of coup or trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after an election. during the obama administration president obama had to make a decision about carrying out a strike against a senior al qaeda leader who happened to be a u.s. citizen. he decided he wanted...
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donald trump. so -- but he clearly has exposure. and not only does he have exposure but there was interesting testimony about what was happening internal to ami because at some point, he goes -- we don't know the substance because they didn't waive attorney-client privilege and if you're talking to a lawyer internal to a company you don't have to reveal that publicly even at a criminal trial, but they were going to front the money to the door man. >> night they were fronting the money to karen mcdougal. he was planning on getting reimbursed from donald trump. and with karen mcdougal, it's not a donald trump who says i'm not paying you. it's you have david pecker has a conversation with counsel. >> yeah. >> and then afterwards he's like, we're not participating anymore. >> that's where the arnold schwarzenegger -- he has learned that which runs afoul -- he's so d he's a witness knowledgeable in campaign finance law. >> he's gotten involved in other campaigns, but yes, it's true. look this is the cas
donald trump. so -- but he clearly has exposure. and not only does he have exposure but there was interesting testimony about what was happening internal to ami because at some point, he goes -- we don't know the substance because they didn't waive attorney-client privilege and if you're talking to a lawyer internal to a company you don't have to reveal that publicly even at a criminal trial, but they were going to front the money to the door man. >> night they were fronting the money to...
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donald trump. and for the first time today, our team of reporters who have been inside the court are now with us. joining us now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, "new york times" investigative reporter suzanne craig, nbc national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent tom winter, lisa and tom were inside the courtroom. sue was in the overflow room set up for reporters to observe the proceedings and joining us here at the table is former manhattan district attorney catherine christian. catherine and sue susan are msnbc contributors. we also have andrew weissmann still with us. lisa, i do want to begin with you and talk to you about what has been happening inside the courtroom today. we've been in supreme court hearings, oral arguments all day, so the attention has not been focused inside this courtroom, but as i understand it, david pecker has been revelatory. it's been a very interesting day for the prosecution, and they just went to break on news that pecker said that he believed what
donald trump. and for the first time today, our team of reporters who have been inside the court are now with us. joining us now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, "new york times" investigative reporter suzanne craig, nbc national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent tom winter, lisa and tom were inside the courtroom. sue was in the overflow room set up for reporters to observe the proceedings and joining us here at the table is former manhattan district attorney...
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why that became such a big issue for donald trump's defense team. i wonder whether now they might have thought to argue about qualified immunity as opposed to absolute immunity. given the framing of some of the questions from the justices, it may have boded better to do so in terms of creating that distinction. i think when you are looking at the questions that were asked by gorsuch as well as alito, it's very clear there is clearly a faction on the bench that wants to create a space that allows this argument to breathe further or at least them to kick it back down and allow that to be dealt with at a lower court. if you are looking in other directions, there are clearly justices like jackson who want to try and make this as narrow as possible. this was lawyering at the highest of levels. i want to remind everyone out there, the supreme court is not right because -- they are not last because they are always right. they are right because they're always last. what i mean by that is, whatever results from this is something that we will all have to live
why that became such a big issue for donald trump's defense team. i wonder whether now they might have thought to argue about qualified immunity as opposed to absolute immunity. given the framing of some of the questions from the justices, it may have boded better to do so in terms of creating that distinction. i think when you are looking at the questions that were asked by gorsuch as well as alito, it's very clear there is clearly a faction on the bench that wants to create a space that...
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this election suppression case against donald trump goes to trial ever or before the election. and it's important to point out, they've already made some decisions here that have had implications for that, with the way they've handled this case, with the way they rejected jack smith's request to take this case on an expedited basis, allowed the appeals process to play out. that's already caused a delay. they're asked to consider this question of whether a president has absolute immunity. i think we have new sound from former president trump. let's take a listen to that. >> we have a big case today. this judge isn't allowing me to go. we have a big case in the supreme court, our presidential immunity. a president has to have immunity. if you don't have immunity, you just have a ceremonial president. >> reporter: nobody thinks the supreme court -- very few legal experts think the supreme court is going to adopt mr. trump's view that a president has absolute immunity. there is a possibility they may see some opportunity for some immunity for some presidential decisions. if they de
this election suppression case against donald trump goes to trial ever or before the election. and it's important to point out, they've already made some decisions here that have had implications for that, with the way they've handled this case, with the way they rejected jack smith's request to take this case on an expedited basis, allowed the appeals process to play out. that's already caused a delay. they're asked to consider this question of whether a president has absolute immunity. i...
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so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to why so long, what was the delay all about, i totally agree with what lisa said. i'd like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably wait ing around to see who was going to be the first to do it because it is scary. it is scary to indict a former president of the united states because he has and will fight like heck at every level. and losing a case, maybe one of the first cases against a former president, would be a crushing defeat. so, in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that in just the last year, once the first indictment came down, everyone else felt much more emboldened to start indicting the president. listen, i don't blame them. it is a scary prospect with just flaming disaster possibilit
so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to why so long, what was the delay all about, i totally agree with what lisa said. i'd like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably wait ing around to see who was going to be the first to...
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people like donald trump learned a different lesson. he learned the best way to get rich is inherit it. he learned paying taxes was something working people did, not him. he learned that telling people you're fired was something to laugh about. not in my household, not in my neighborhood. i mean it severely, no joke. >> still ahead we'll turn to sports and last night's playoff action in the nhl and the nba including the miami heat shattering a franchise record in their battle with the celts. "way too early" is coming right back. celts. "way too early" is coming right back but this is my story. ( ♪♪ ) and with once-daily trelegy, it can still be beautiful. because with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open for a full 24 hours and prevents future flare-ups. trelegy also improves lung function, so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy m
people like donald trump learned a different lesson. he learned the best way to get rich is inherit it. he learned paying taxes was something working people did, not him. he learned that telling people you're fired was something to laugh about. not in my household, not in my neighborhood. i mean it severely, no joke. >> still ahead we'll turn to sports and last night's playoff action in the nhl and the nba including the miami heat shattering a franchise record in their battle with the...
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while they're not yet seeking an incarcerated penalty for donald trump they believe donald trump is aiming for just that. and for what it's worth, right wing media seems to be angling for that, too. >> i would force them to throw me in jail if i were donald trump. the mug shot backfired. the indictments have been backfired. being a martyr in jail for maybe what a day, 24 hours, i think that would be good. >> if they put him in jail for his first amendment right, he would be like nelson mandela. . >> right after the court was allowed to break and allowed to use his phone again donald trump posted this on truth social. highly conflicted to put it mildly. judge juan merchan has taken away my right to free speech. everyone is allowed to talk and lie about me but i'm not allowed to defend myself. this is kangaroo court and the judge should recuse himself. while attacking the judge does not run afoul of the gag order trump is clearly poking the bear and running right up to the line of what's allowed. there is the legal side of this gag order, and we're going to get some expert help unpacking tha
while they're not yet seeking an incarcerated penalty for donald trump they believe donald trump is aiming for just that. and for what it's worth, right wing media seems to be angling for that, too. >> i would force them to throw me in jail if i were donald trump. the mug shot backfired. the indictments have been backfired. being a martyr in jail for maybe what a day, 24 hours, i think that would be good. >> if they put him in jail for his first amendment right, he would be like...
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unindicted co-conspirator one is, of course, donald trump. now, all this comes as trump already faces, as you will know, 88 criminal charges across four jurisdictions. he is currently on trial in new york facing 34 charges related to election interference and business record fraud. tomorrow morning the supreme court will be hearing arguments in his immunity case were trump claims he cannot be prosecuted by special counsel jack smith in the federal january 6 election case against him joining me now with the latest is nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment, so just the first of all, just set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> i think it is important for folks that may be saying why did this investigation take so long, why is it the year 2024 for this indictment finally came down? will folks should also understand that in the state of arizona, it was a
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who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she is still going to give him a solid in the documents case in florida. with respect to david pecker it is either because sometime he thinks david is going to do him a solid in his testimony come tomorrow. i think that's unlikely because pecker is under a non-prosecute agreement. if he starts saying good stuff he could be prosecuted. or, pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried so he's a threat. he doesn't want to antagonize pecker but he also hasn't said anything bad about hope, so i think maybe he's trying to see who his true enemies are and who still may hold out and do a little something for the donald. >> harry, my colleague, john allen, wrote an interesting piece today for he said trump's legal team is spending an enormous amount of time discussing that donald trump should not be referred to as mr. trump. he needs to be referred to as the president of the united states. they are spending a huge amount of time in court doing
who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she is still going to give him a solid in the documents case in florida. with respect to david pecker it is either because sometime he thinks david is going to do him a solid in his testimony come tomorrow. i think that's unlikely because pecker is under a non-prosecute agreement. if he starts saying good stuff he could be prosecuted. or, pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried so he's a threat....
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the only difference between the donald trump of the 80s and the donald trump of today as he feels totally free to let his dark side out, and his dark side is very dark and very dangerous for this country. we can't let our democracy that we've worked for and cherished disintegrate with the wrong leader at the wrong time. i can tell you that he personally committed to me that he was going to get our pensions fixed. he understood who was affected by these pensions. he assured me i'm the president of the united states, i'll just call mitch. i'll tell him to put it in the bill. is everybody going to love me? if you fix the pensioner of it is gone love you. well, that was wasted breath. there were lots of other things put in that bill. there were tax cuts put in that bill for rich people. donald trump promised infrastructure every year. >> infrastructure is the easiest of all. >> donald trump was not interested in any policy that actually goes along with being president of the united states. trump was interested in the pomp and circumstance, the plane, the helicopter, it's all about him. donald
the only difference between the donald trump of the 80s and the donald trump of today as he feels totally free to let his dark side out, and his dark side is very dark and very dangerous for this country. we can't let our democracy that we've worked for and cherished disintegrate with the wrong leader at the wrong time. i can tell you that he personally committed to me that he was going to get our pensions fixed. he understood who was affected by these pensions. he assured me i'm the president...
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donald trump and the battle for american democracy. thank you for being here, what is the point of a gag order honestly? when you have a media industrial complex acting as a public defense line for donald trump? >> you are asking the right question. this was on my mind last week. no matter how much was shared by the new york times or the ap, there will be fox and the other outlets trying to intimidate the jurors. a week late story is true when it comes to the witnesses. it is so important you are identifying this. we have to see while we are on effort one, what is happening on earth two? tucker carlson was fired by fox news and they are a little less in crazyville as a result. tucker believes in ufos and connections to god. for jesse waters, trump is god. and that's the programming every hour of every day on the other networks. >> can i ask you because you have been inside the fox complex, you have deep connections and have reported out from there. they say we want a story about ted cruz. go write one. and the national enquirer would d
donald trump and the battle for american democracy. thank you for being here, what is the point of a gag order honestly? when you have a media industrial complex acting as a public defense line for donald trump? >> you are asking the right question. this was on my mind last week. no matter how much was shared by the new york times or the ap, there will be fox and the other outlets trying to intimidate the jurors. a week late story is true when it comes to the witnesses. it is so important...
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now look at donald trump's behavior. he trash talks everyone and anyone who does not side with him, yet he has been radio silent when it comes to david pecker what does that tell you about pecker that trump mums the word? >> tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she's going to do him a solid in the documents case in florida. it's because somehow he thinks david pecker is going to do him a solid in his testimony tomorrow. i think that unlikely. if he flips the script and starts saying good stuff for trump the prosecutors don't anticipate, pecker will be in trouble because he's going to be prosecuted. >> let's go to the or. >> the or is pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried. >> bingo. >> he's a threat and he doesn't want to antagonize pecker, but he also hasn't said anything bad about hope hicks. i think maybe he's trying to see who his true enemies are and who still may hold out and do a little something for the donald. >> trump fe
now look at donald trump's behavior. he trash talks everyone and anyone who does not side with him, yet he has been radio silent when it comes to david pecker what does that tell you about pecker that trump mums the word? >> tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she's going to do him a solid in the documents case in florida. it's because somehow he thinks david pecker is going to do him a solid in his testimony...
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donald trump promised infrastructure every year. >> infrastructure is the easiest of all. >> donald trump was not interested in any of the policy that actually goes along with being president of the united states. trump was interested in the pomp and circumstance, the plane, the helicopter. it's all about him. donald trump is incapable of running anything, let alone the most powerful country in the history of the world. god help us if he gets anywhere near that white house in the future. >> joining us now, jimmy williams jr., general president of the international union of painters and allied trades, an affiliate of the north america's building trades unions. thank you very much for joining us tonight. you were there today. you had four years of donald trump with no infrastructure whatsoever. joe biden gets in, delivers on the infrastructure bill. i can't think of anything more important to your unions than that work that comes through that infrastructure bill. >> thank you so much for having me. it's not just the infrastructure bill that president biden and the biden/harris administratio
donald trump promised infrastructure every year. >> infrastructure is the easiest of all. >> donald trump was not interested in any of the policy that actually goes along with being president of the united states. trump was interested in the pomp and circumstance, the plane, the helicopter. it's all about him. donald trump is incapable of running anything, let alone the most powerful country in the history of the world. god help us if he gets anywhere near that white house in the...
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trump can mount a proper public defense, does donald trump really need to do it himself? he sure seems to have plenty of other people doing that for him already. last week, right wing media, and in particular fox news host jesse watters, demonized individual members of this jury. one of the things prosecutors dissected specifically as one of the instances of trump breaking his gag order was trump quoting jesse watters and saying "they are catching undercover liberal activists leading to the judge in order to get on the trump jury." here is the thing. jesse watters didn't actually say that. trump added to the part that read in order to get on the trump jury. but, within hours, jesse watters directed trumps mistake for him , posting trumps incorrect version of the quote to jesse watters's own twitter account, in effect, retroactively making his own words the words that trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally, they are heeding trumps calls. they are taking his line edits. what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone? >> the
trump can mount a proper public defense, does donald trump really need to do it himself? he sure seems to have plenty of other people doing that for him already. last week, right wing media, and in particular fox news host jesse watters, demonized individual members of this jury. one of the things prosecutors dissected specifically as one of the instances of trump breaking his gag order was trump quoting jesse watters and saying "they are catching undercover liberal activists leading to...
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he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. in clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the united states about whether he can claim sweeping presidential immunity over his criminal election interference charges from special counsel jack smith. but even for the conservative majority hears one word of arguments, it i
he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney...
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donald trump has been around the block. he may know, and you may know when you take out a sum of over 10, 15k, it already creates an alert. you take 15k cash out of the atm, it creates a banking alert. that's how suspicious it is. if you take 130k out, authorities are on to it. that's not always the best idea if you don't want to get caught, but it also is suspicious. and that's not all. the d.a. prosecution team telling the jury they will also have an extensive paper trail, bank records, emails, technology messages, phone logs and business records and others that the d.a. says they will show the jury to show that trump reimbursed cohen through those monthly checks. and again, we know what they're talking about. donald trump's big loopy signature on each of those checks. and more, his star witness i mentioned, tabloid publisher david pecker, well, he is the first witness as you probably know from following this trial. they brought him right out. and he said, this again is part of the prosecution's case, he is their witness.
donald trump has been around the block. he may know, and you may know when you take out a sum of over 10, 15k, it already creates an alert. you take 15k cash out of the atm, it creates a banking alert. that's how suspicious it is. if you take 130k out, authorities are on to it. that's not always the best idea if you don't want to get caught, but it also is suspicious. and that's not all. the d.a. prosecution team telling the jury they will also have an extensive paper trail, bank records,...
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donald trump's america, guys. that was supreme court justice sotomayor at oral arguments earlier today summing up where we are not just in idaho, but as a country, as americans. the nation's highest court in the land is forced to reckon and rumble with the world donald trump created for women in this country, now, today, that's happening right now. the case before the justices today was about whether a federal law that requires hospitals to provide stabilizing health care to any patient whose life or health is in serious jeopardy covers abortion health care in states where the procedure is heavily restricted or banned. the state of idaho is suing because it wants to deny abortions to women having a medical crisis in the moment. it's a direct result of a majority in the court that included three hand-picked justices from donald trump stripping away the protections enjoyed in in country for 50 years under roe v. wade. here is justice sonia sotomayor laying out the real world situations where women in america have be
donald trump's america, guys. that was supreme court justice sotomayor at oral arguments earlier today summing up where we are not just in idaho, but as a country, as americans. the nation's highest court in the land is forced to reckon and rumble with the world donald trump created for women in this country, now, today, that's happening right now. the case before the justices today was about whether a federal law that requires hospitals to provide stabilizing health care to any patient whose...
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this is a bill that donald trump did not support. what does it mean for republicans to break with him? is this a movement or a moment? >> reporter: well, it's interesting. you played senate minority leader mitch mcconnell's thoughts on this, and i just wrapped up a lengthy one on one interview with him that we'll have on msnbcnews.com in a bit. getting into donald trump's role was interesting. he acknowledged along with tucker carlson that donald trump played a big role in republicans backing away from the idea that ukraine funding was a smart idea, and then what he ultimately said was donald trump's decision to kind of back away from his earlier backing away of ukraine support kind of gauged space for individual republican members to assess this on their own and come up with their own conclusion, and the fact that donald trump didn't continue to hammer it right up until the very end gave them the space to vote yes and recognized that this was a real problem. mitch mcconnell believes there's a family fight, he described it, in the re
this is a bill that donald trump did not support. what does it mean for republicans to break with him? is this a movement or a moment? >> reporter: well, it's interesting. you played senate minority leader mitch mcconnell's thoughts on this, and i just wrapped up a lengthy one on one interview with him that we'll have on msnbcnews.com in a bit. getting into donald trump's role was interesting. he acknowledged along with tucker carlson that donald trump played a big role in republicans...
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what did donald trump's daughter-in-law have to say about it? >> well, look, this is all part of what the rnc calls a masive voter integrity operation. claiming they're going to deploy a hundred thousand volunteers and attorneys across battle ground states to protect the vote and ensure a big win in november. our comments to newsmax raise a few flags. listen. >> so will they be allowed to physically handle the ballots as well, lara? >> yep, and that means, eric, that they should know and they can count how many ballots come in and how many ballots should go out of every single polling location. here's something else we need to make clear. if we catch you cheating and we're looking out there for you to cheat, we will prosecute you to the full extent of the law. >> so, of course, observers, poll watchers, volunteers, all of that is welcome and encouraged from both parties during an election, but some of what she had to say, and some of what the rnc outlined in their plans had some election experts concerned that it could end up leading to voter in
what did donald trump's daughter-in-law have to say about it? >> well, look, this is all part of what the rnc calls a masive voter integrity operation. claiming they're going to deploy a hundred thousand volunteers and attorneys across battle ground states to protect the vote and ensure a big win in november. our comments to newsmax raise a few flags. listen. >> so will they be allowed to physically handle the ballots as well, lara? >> yep, and that means, eric, that they...
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. >>> and with the new york city court dark today, how are attorneys in donald trump's hush money case spending those limited hours before they have to head back into the courtroom? and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. >>> but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the by-product of that decision and rule on the abortion issue all over again. at the heart of the arguments, whether idaho's near total abortion ban should take precedence over federal law and block abortions. in situations where abortion would help stabilize pregnant patients undergoing a medical crisis. now, idaho's attorney says it should. the government disagreed. >> what idaho is doing is waiting for women to wait and deteriorate and suffer the lifelong health consequences with no possible upside for the fetus. it just stacks tragedy upon tragedy. >> and it can't be the -- you know, i
. >>> and with the new york city court dark today, how are attorneys in donald trump's hush money case spending those limited hours before they have to head back into the courtroom? and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. >>> but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are...
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among friends with donald trump to help get donald trump's first presidential election. the prosecution showed pecker's pages of his former tabloid's headlines, which are what everyone sees at supermarket, designed to hurt donald trump's opponents. lisa reubens and also paul butler are joining us. lisa, you've been amaamazing. the trial taking a day off. you never take a day off. but let me ask you when do we expect, anyway to tell whether today could be the day where we hear what the judge will decide about thegag order alleged violations? he certainly seemed very impatient of the ability to restrain let's say donald trump. >> he is equally frustrated with todd's ability to connect him with the attacks. that was the chief defense, that donald trump was simply defending himself in the court of public opinion. i expect that we'll hear from week's end. but judge merchan said that he wouldn't rule from the bench because he understands that it will likely be appealed so he wants to take his time to be thoughtful about which of the posts are violations and what the relief is.
among friends with donald trump to help get donald trump's first presidential election. the prosecution showed pecker's pages of his former tabloid's headlines, which are what everyone sees at supermarket, designed to hurt donald trump's opponents. lisa reubens and also paul butler are joining us. lisa, you've been amaamazing. the trial taking a day off. you never take a day off. but let me ask you when do we expect, anyway to tell whether today could be the day where we hear what the judge...
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it was repetition and we know from donald trump for years that repetition is a powerful thing. a lie told over and over can become a truth. and in this case, you saw story after story after story the effect it had. ben carson was doing surgery, leaving sponges in people's brains. and that's the sort of story that they were pushing while at the same time they were grabbing negative information about donald trump and buying it off the market. >> what was it like there in the courtroom? what was truck's reaction, demeanor? did you see what the jurors were doing or not doing? >> i'm in an overflow room. i can't see his reaction to the jurors. for the most part, he had a pretty good scowl on his face. that's how i would describe it. he's not happy being there, of course. so that -- we're looking at him, i got a view of the monitor, that's primarily what i saw. >> and so, coming up next, i know tomorrow the prosecution still has pecker on the stand. there is cross coming. >> right, we're going to see tomorrow karen mcdougal, another woman that had a relationship with donald trump, we
it was repetition and we know from donald trump for years that repetition is a powerful thing. a lie told over and over can become a truth. and in this case, you saw story after story after story the effect it had. ben carson was doing surgery, leaving sponges in people's brains. and that's the sort of story that they were pushing while at the same time they were grabbing negative information about donald trump and buying it off the market. >> what was it like there in the courtroom? what...
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we didn't see america getting behind donald trump. we saw republicans digging in, and at a time where they thought, you know, 16 other people ran against donald trump, they thought he was vulnerable because of '22, because of the indictments and it turned out the indictments just turned the switch and helped him. but only with hard core republicans. >> you know, it is interesting what we're hearing in the trial, and along the lines of how does this, you know, resonate with voters? do they have, you know, fatigue as the trial drags on, or do they have a visceral reaction to remembering what happened in 2016 and the chaos, especially when we're learning of all the details related to the national enquirer manufactured stories, the stories that included the false claims that senator marco rubio had a love child and used cocaine, ben carson allegedly leading a sponge in a patient's brain, a doctored photo suggesting senator ted cruz's father was involved in the kennedy assassination, all of those people who were targeted and ended up going
we didn't see america getting behind donald trump. we saw republicans digging in, and at a time where they thought, you know, 16 other people ran against donald trump, they thought he was vulnerable because of '22, because of the indictments and it turned out the indictments just turned the switch and helped him. but only with hard core republicans. >> you know, it is interesting what we're hearing in the trial, and along the lines of how does this, you know, resonate with voters? do they...
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in falsification of business records. >> i want to play something we heard from donald trump yesterday just before the trial picked back up. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people,
in falsification of business records. >> i want to play something we heard from donald trump yesterday just before the trial picked back up. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people,
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donald trump. there was a lot to go around yesterday. mitt romney, wow. bring it home, willie. >> yeah, mitt romney going in there, obviously no love lost between those two men. mitt romney, expect to hear more of that throughout the campaign. >> expert legal analysis on yesterday's testimony in the hush money trial and the gag order against trump. straight ahead. >>> president biden's joke came while he was campaigning in florida. on the issue of reproductive rights and women's health care, blaming trump for overturning roe and these extreme abortion laws. we'll show you more of the president's speech. quite a flex going down to florida while trump was stuck in court in new york city. on capitol hill, a top republican admits it's trump's fault that border security hasn't passed. we knew that. to hear this republican say it really brings it home. willie, i had the news on all day, if i heard the word pecker one more time, i was going to lose my mind. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new yo
donald trump. there was a lot to go around yesterday. mitt romney, wow. bring it home, willie. >> yeah, mitt romney going in there, obviously no love lost between those two men. mitt romney, expect to hear more of that throughout the campaign. >> expert legal analysis on yesterday's testimony in the hush money trial and the gag order against trump. straight ahead. >>> president biden's joke came while he was campaigning in florida. on the issue of reproductive rights and...
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trump but had nothing to do with donald trump. he was in charge of the company for years. >> yeah, i was just going to say the simplest way to do it is say, look, you're willing to publish lies, you admitted as much. what makes it any clearer you're not lying right now about donald trump? let's turn to the judge. the judge did not issue a ruling yesterday on whether donald trump violated the gag order, but he did say that trump's attorney, todd blanche, was losing all credibility after attorney blanche said trump was being very careful trying to comply with the gag order. i guess two questions. one is why did judge merchan not issue a gag order yesterday in your estimation? and what's your reaction to his rebuke of todd blanche? >> well, one, not having credibility is another way of saying you're not telling the truth. and as a lawyer you never want to hear that from a judge particularly at the beginning of trial because that will stay in the judge's head, and that will be throughout the trial that the judge thinks you have no cre
trump but had nothing to do with donald trump. he was in charge of the company for years. >> yeah, i was just going to say the simplest way to do it is say, look, you're willing to publish lies, you admitted as much. what makes it any clearer you're not lying right now about donald trump? let's turn to the judge. the judge did not issue a ruling yesterday on whether donald trump violated the gag order, but he did say that trump's attorney, todd blanche, was losing all credibility after...
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where does that leave donald trump? do you think that puts pressure on him to take the stand, or is it too far-fetched to imagine f in. >> i think it's arunlikely he'l testify for so many reasons not least of which the cross-examination is going to be brutal, but oneis of the things the prosecution is going to have to prove is that donald trump knew what he was going to do he was breaking the law. there's a knowledge element here. it has to be done with the the intent to break the law. one way he could do that by show and testifying i didn't know these entries were being made. i didn't know i was doing this with the the intent to violate the federal election campaign act. he can do that through his testimony. i highly doubt he'll do it, but you heardgh a lot of speech fro todd blanche in the opening statement. i don't know how they're going to prove thelic of knowledge on mr. gtrump's behalf, but one w you could do it is to not testify. >> in the list of potential witnesses there are some high level trump organization o
where does that leave donald trump? do you think that puts pressure on him to take the stand, or is it too far-fetched to imagine f in. >> i think it's arunlikely he'l testify for so many reasons not least of which the cross-examination is going to be brutal, but oneis of the things the prosecution is going to have to prove is that donald trump knew what he was going to do he was breaking the law. there's a knowledge element here. it has to be done with the the intent to break the law....
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please deny, david role in the criminal conspiracy to elect donald trump and the wild hearing on trump's gag order abuse. clearance, the judge is getting tough on trump's lawyer. >> saying to donald trump's attorneys, you are losing all credibility, you are losing all credibility with the court. >>> then why the biden campaign said they had a chance to win florida. >> he is out campaigning and i am sitting up all day long. >>> and r series continues, are you better off than you were four years ago? >> the disinfectant, it knocked it out in a minute and is there a way we can do something like that? by injection or cleaning. >> when all in starch right now. >>> good evening, from new york, i am chris hayes, day two of the criminal trial, donald trump, today we heard in great detail how trump and his gang conspired to hide all his worst secrets, at least some of them. trump and his lawyer continue to stretch the patience of judge merchan. the started with the hearing on the gag order the judge had already issued, which trump has her heatedly and freely been violating on social media and els
please deny, david role in the criminal conspiracy to elect donald trump and the wild hearing on trump's gag order abuse. clearance, the judge is getting tough on trump's lawyer. >> saying to donald trump's attorneys, you are losing all credibility, you are losing all credibility with the court. >>> then why the biden campaign said they had a chance to win florida. >> he is out campaigning and i am sitting up all day long. >>> and r series continues, are you better...
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now they are endorsing donald trump. working for donald trump. they are sucking up to donald trump. under oath, the former head of the national enquirer is admitting he essentially humiliated these men in pursuit of donald trump's white house candidacy. and the shamelessness, the willingness of these folks to commit sort of like to basically base themselves. it is really humiliating. >> i think so. so george, you are the tabled republican. >> listen don johnson. >> you are our table republican tonight. in republican circles, when news like this comes out. when you have david being like yep, made up the stories about donald trump's foes. it is what i did. like, what happens in like, in republican cocktail parties tonight? what are they saying? yeah. he made up stories about my dad. still voting for him. like, how does that work? >> i have no idea. i can't fathom it it. i think they just do this. i got, i was on the acella yesterday. and the first class car. and some guy. >> oh i'm sorry. like, i'm sorry. first you wear that outfit. >> and this guy gets into the discussion. i'm headli
now they are endorsing donald trump. working for donald trump. they are sucking up to donald trump. under oath, the former head of the national enquirer is admitting he essentially humiliated these men in pursuit of donald trump's white house candidacy. and the shamelessness, the willingness of these folks to commit sort of like to basically base themselves. it is really humiliating. >> i think so. so george, you are the tabled republican. >> listen don johnson. >> you are our...
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so, there is donald trump. summoning trump supporters in idaho to go to the courthouse in boise and stage a big protest for him. or in north dakota or utah or alabama or texas or somewhere there is a vast majority of voters for donald trump. any courthouse in america, florida, anywhere. and no one, no one anywhere in the country showed up at any courthouse to protest the criminal prosecution of donald trump. 74million trump voters said absolutely no. we will not protest donald trump's criminal prosecution. we do not care. they are not the only people who don't care. donald trump is the only criminal defendant i have ever seen who cannot round up a single family member to sit in the front row of the courtroom in support of criminal defendant donald trump. his third and current wife isn't there. neither of his daughters are there. none of his sons are there. not a single personal friend has shown up as a show of support for donald trump. not one. serial killer and sometimes cannibal jeffrey dahmer had his family
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about two negative stories about donald trump. stories that the national enquirer purchased the exclusive rights to and then sat on so the accusations against trump would not come out before the election. a process that is now known publicly as catch and kill. the first of these involved a doorman who alleged trump had fathered a love child with the housekeeper. the enquirer determined it untrue but bought anyway so it couldn't be sold to anyone else. then there was karen mcdougal who alleged she had an affair with donald trump. the enquirer also bought the right to her story so she could not go public with it. and what we learned in court today is all of this behind the scenes maneuvering much light those bomb shell cover stories was for one express purpose. to help the trump campaign. now that part of the deal where you were going to notify them so they could buy up negative information about mr. trump, that part, did that part help the national inquirer at a all? how was that going to boost sales at the national enquirer? no. t
about two negative stories about donald trump. stories that the national enquirer purchased the exclusive rights to and then sat on so the accusations against trump would not come out before the election. a process that is now known publicly as catch and kill. the first of these involved a doorman who alleged trump had fathered a love child with the housekeeper. the enquirer determined it untrue but bought anyway so it couldn't be sold to anyone else. then there was karen mcdougal who alleged...
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trump, they are working for donald trump, they are sucking up to donald trump, under oath, the former head of the national enquirer is admitting, that he essentially humiliated these men, in pursuit of donald trump's white house candidacy. and, you know, again, this shamelessness, the willingness of these folks to commit sort of like, you know, i don't know, like, harry carey, to debase themselves to the public. it's really humiliating, isn't it? >> i think so, so george, you are the table republican -- >> out. i haven't been a republican -- >> listen, don johnson -- >> oh! >> in republican circles, when news like this, when you see david saying yep, i made up the stories, it's what i did , like what happens in republican cocktail parties tonight, what are they saying like yeah, he made up stories about my dad, still voting for him, how does that work? >> i can't fathom it. i just think what they do is they do this, i mean, i was on the -- in the first class car -- >> oh, i'm sorry, first, you were that outfit and now you just told us, first class. >> this guy starts getting into a di
trump, they are working for donald trump, they are sucking up to donald trump, under oath, the former head of the national enquirer is admitting, that he essentially humiliated these men, in pursuit of donald trump's white house candidacy. and, you know, again, this shamelessness, the willingness of these folks to commit sort of like, you know, i don't know, like, harry carey, to debase themselves to the public. it's really humiliating, isn't it? >> i think so, so george, you are the...
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stormy daniels, quashed donald trump. the breaking defendant trump news of the night is that stormy daniels has humiliated donald trump, once again come and while she was at it she humiliated his terminal defense lawyers. tonight, granted the motion to quash the subpoena from donald trump demanding a vast range of information about the making of a documentary film titled "stormy." the judge denied the motion saying this request is overbroad, six general discovery, and is not limited to the subject matter of this case. judge merchan already quashed a subpoena for essentially the same material from nbc universal the producer of the documentary, the ruling by judge merchan came at the end of the day that began with the hearing about the district attorney's claim that donald trump has violated a gag order that inhibits him from among other things, saying anything about jurors in the case. prosecutor, christopher conroy, told the judge about a social media post that we reported as breaking news on this program last week. and t
stormy daniels, quashed donald trump. the breaking defendant trump news of the night is that stormy daniels has humiliated donald trump, once again come and while she was at it she humiliated his terminal defense lawyers. tonight, granted the motion to quash the subpoena from donald trump demanding a vast range of information about the making of a documentary film titled "stormy." the judge denied the motion saying this request is overbroad, six general discovery, and is not limited...
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the in writing version is more coherent than the loony version donald trump said into the microphone this morning, so we will do with the written version at 4:35 p.m.
the in writing version is more coherent than the loony version donald trump said into the microphone this morning, so we will do with the written version at 4:35 p.m.
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the idea that donald trump knew what he was doing. i mean, is there a witness that you have seen from the list of people that may be called to the stand that could be helpful to trump's case at this point? >> not necessarily. witnesses in the oval office with michael cohen, that's not helpful. if a witness says trump was meticulous in signing his checks, and wasn't a passive player that's not helpful. there's nobody the prosecution is lining up that will helpful. josh stein glass and chris conroy, they know what they are doing. so i am overwhelmingly confident donald trump is in trouble, but it is the burden of the prosecution. that's what we started off with , how important david is invalidating how important this is about otherwise why would you sign off, who cares about hush money? there needs to be some nexus, and that is what these witnesses will show. >> do you have suspicion of what they might do? >> of david-pecker? i think they are going to do everything they can to show he is a liar, that what he is saying is not only ill- i
the idea that donald trump knew what he was doing. i mean, is there a witness that you have seen from the list of people that may be called to the stand that could be helpful to trump's case at this point? >> not necessarily. witnesses in the oval office with michael cohen, that's not helpful. if a witness says trump was meticulous in signing his checks, and wasn't a passive player that's not helpful. there's nobody the prosecution is lining up that will helpful. josh stein glass and...
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donald trump. donald trump is worried was going to hold him accountable for the chaos he created. folks, we are going to hold him accountable. >> today, president biden delivered his message on abortion and restoring roe v. wade where a six-week abortion ban will take effect next week, and where ballot measure for abortion rights will be up on the ballot in november. reporters have been told they think florida is in play. >> we take florida very fiercely. the fact the idea donald trump has the stake in the bag could not be further from the truth, right? he owns not only the state of abortion rights across the country, but he owns the restriction that we are seeing play out in florida. >> abortion is one issue where republicans are having to reckon with the deep unpopularity of their own ideals. they have been insulating themselves from this popular repulsion through gerrymandering state legislatures, suppressing the votes, and by maximally leveraging structures of the constitution, the electoral college, which got trump in the white house come despite him losing by 2.9 million vot
donald trump. donald trump is worried was going to hold him accountable for the chaos he created. folks, we are going to hold him accountable. >> today, president biden delivered his message on abortion and restoring roe v. wade where a six-week abortion ban will take effect next week, and where ballot measure for abortion rights will be up on the ballot in november. reporters have been told they think florida is in play. >> we take florida very fiercely. the fact the idea donald...
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kennedy, and donald trump. other than that, for all the giant barricades erected downtown, the largest numbers present were police officers and reporters plus a couple adorable middle schoolers who came down to see the events. inside the courthouse, i started as team overflow room and through the endless grace of lisa reuben moved to the main courtroom for the second half of the day. while i have written a book about donald trump called the man who sold america for which i interviewed many a trump person and former campaign staffer, et cetera, today was the first time i have actually been in the same room with donald trump. the tormentor of black teenagers like myself in the late 1980s when the central park trial took place in the very same courthouse. what i can tell you is he's taller than you might expect and walks in a gait that is shufflier than you would think. and he's definitely a scowler. although who wouldn't be scowling facing 34 criminal counts in a case that could in theory send you to prison. i ca
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the prosecution asking the court for donald trump to be held in contempt of court, and donald trump's lawyers spinning those attacks as political. the judge frustrated, admonishing trump's attorney saying you're losing all credibility with this court, the judge adding, you've presented nothing. well, we'll have more on that later in the show. but first, the prosecution's first witness back on the stand, former "national enquirer" publisher david pecker, returning to detail to the jury his involvement in the multiple catch and kill plots to bury negative stories about donald trump. pecker detailing his decades long relationship with trump, and his frequent communications with michael cohen. testifying that in that now infamous 2015 meeting, pecker agreed to publish only positive stories about trump, promising to be trump's eyes and ears. pecker going on to say how, at the time, he told the "national enquirer" leadership he wanted that agreement to be "as quiet as possible." because they were going to try to help the trump campaign. this is a big deal. the prosecution alleging a conspir
the prosecution asking the court for donald trump to be held in contempt of court, and donald trump's lawyers spinning those attacks as political. the judge frustrated, admonishing trump's attorney saying you're losing all credibility with this court, the judge adding, you've presented nothing. well, we'll have more on that later in the show. but first, the prosecution's first witness back on the stand, former "national enquirer" publisher david pecker, returning to detail to the jury...
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with donald trump on his first presidential run and concocted a plan which donald trump, who was pleased about in his own words, to cover up the salacious stories. that was a plan that a long time friend of his now tells the american public. and then the karen mcdougal story, to watch that testimony play out, again a long time friend articulating that donald trump was aware of this alleged affair and called up a friend to say how do we not let the american electorate know thistory. that is so key. and then to add on to that. is the fact that this statement man, when talking about his finances or about donald trump, referred to him as a micromanager. he was aware of the checks that came in and he didn't just sign the checks as todd blanche alleged, but he wanted to know where every penny was going and he was cautious is another word that he used. donald trump is the one that runs the trump organization and he's in charge and david pecker testified to that on not only the allegations of the extramarital affairs. >> and talk about hope hicks. >> we know that she was on the phone with michae
with donald trump on his first presidential run and concocted a plan which donald trump, who was pleased about in his own words, to cover up the salacious stories. that was a plan that a long time friend of his now tells the american public. and then the karen mcdougal story, to watch that testimony play out, again a long time friend articulating that donald trump was aware of this alleged affair and called up a friend to say how do we not let the american electorate know thistory. that is so...
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this case is a hoax, that's the donald trump position here. and yet at the same time, just in the last ten minutes, he put out a new social media post, which we're having the conversation about a trial whether donald trump has lied or not. can i just read the first line? >> yeah. >> thousands of people were turned away from the courthouse by police, literally blocks from the tiny side door from where i enter and leave. it's an armed camp to read people away. i read that because i was down there, lisa was down there. that is the furthest thing from
this case is a hoax, that's the donald trump position here. and yet at the same time, just in the last ten minutes, he put out a new social media post, which we're having the conversation about a trial whether donald trump has lied or not. can i just read the first line? >> yeah. >> thousands of people were turned away from the courthouse by police, literally blocks from the tiny side door from where i enter and leave. it's an armed camp to read people away. i read that because i...
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why can't donald trump go after cohen when cohen is still allowed to go after donald trump? >> because donald trump is the one with the gag order and michael cohen doesn't have a gag order. >> why would it include cohen? the trump team would argue he's going on television, saying whatever he wants. >> it's all witnesses. cohen is shameless. he's not going to be intimidated. he wants to testify. but there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what he's doing to cohen. i'm up next, he's going to go it to me. it's about witnesses and cohen just happens to be one. >> it's too hard to make a carve out. thank you very much. i know you're sticking around in case we have anything. lisa rubin, thank you as well. >>> what can a lawyer realistly advise a client like trump and what do they do when he lashes out perhaps in front of a jury? plus, what is happening on college campuses across the country as pro palestinian protestors try to essentially shutdown the schools. to essent shutdown the schools nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only
why can't donald trump go after cohen when cohen is still allowed to go after donald trump? >> because donald trump is the one with the gag order and michael cohen doesn't have a gag order. >> why would it include cohen? the trump team would argue he's going on television, saying whatever he wants. >> it's all witnesses. cohen is shameless. he's not going to be intimidated. he wants to testify. but there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what he's doing to cohen. i'm...
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donald trump here heard the words of david pecker testify, number one, that donald trump sat in a meeting in august 2015 with him at trump tower and told him he was pleased about this scheme to catch and kill stories, salacious story, and plant negative stories about rival candidates. we also had david pecker testify in front of donald trump today that trump picked up the phone to call him about the karen mcdougle story. karen mcdougle alleged a ten month affair with him. and what you get from david pecker's testimony in the middle of this karen mcdougle story here is the extent to which pecker was intimately involved with not only trump, but also michael cohen. saying and testifying today that he would have multiple conversations with him a week. sometimes when things were intense like around the mcdougle story, daily. i want to let everybody look at a part of the exchange that our team inside was able to transcribe where david pecker talked about encrypted messages sent back and forth between him and michael cohn which would suggest that perhaps not all the evidence that could be out th
donald trump here heard the words of david pecker testify, number one, that donald trump sat in a meeting in august 2015 with him at trump tower and told him he was pleased about this scheme to catch and kill stories, salacious story, and plant negative stories about rival candidates. we also had david pecker testify in front of donald trump today that trump picked up the phone to call him about the karen mcdougle story. karen mcdougle alleged a ten month affair with him. and what you get from...
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there's a lot of the back and forth -- >> vaughn, i'm going interrupt you because donald trump has come out of court. >> and i don't even know, a gag order. which to me is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk to people. so they can talk about me, say whatever they want. they can lie, but i'm not allowed to say anything. i just have to sit back and look at why the conflicted judge has ordered me to have a gag order. i think anybody's ever seen anything like this. i'd love to talk to you people. say everything that's on my mind, but i'm restricted because of a gag order and i'm not sure that anybody's ever seen anything like this before. and even somebody writes an article, if i read every one of these in complete, i'll look at headlines and the case is a sham. but i can't read the whole thing. i'd be reading, this is like reading a novel. so i put -- and then some of these names, somewhere deep in the article and i'm in violation of a gag order. i think it's a disgrace. it's totally unconstitutional. i don't believe it's ever not to this extent happened before. i'm not allow
there's a lot of the back and forth -- >> vaughn, i'm going interrupt you because donald trump has come out of court. >> and i don't even know, a gag order. which to me is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk to people. so they can talk about me, say whatever they want. they can lie, but i'm not allowed to say anything. i just have to sit back and look at why the conflicted judge has ordered me to have a gag order. i think anybody's ever seen anything like this. i'd...
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he actually started a magazine for donald trump. they would see each other at the very least quarterly, but often multiple times, of course, sometimes once a month. is that relationship that was established early on important? does it give him credibility as somebody talking about donald trump? >> to catherine's point, you're not just laying the foundation to admit documents. you're also laying the foundation to the jury as to why they ought to believe, you know, mr. pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are going to ask all the witnesses how do you know the things that you say you kno
he actually started a magazine for donald trump. they would see each other at the very least quarterly, but often multiple times, of course, sometimes once a month. is that relationship that was established early on important? does it give him credibility as somebody talking about donald trump? >> to catherine's point, you're not just laying the foundation to admit documents. you're also laying the foundation to the jury as to why they ought to believe, you know, mr. pecker. and when he...
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trump to essentially only give favorable coverage to donald trump and negative coverage to donald trump's adversaries. again, i think this is really a very standard tactic for donald trump, which is just try and change the narrative. >> and to that point, chuck, i'm reading a note here from lisa reuben who is in the overflow room, i believe. and she's talking about the fact that pecker and pecker describing his conversations with michael cohen, and with his editor, i guess it was executive editor about what was going to happen in the 2015-2016 campaign. pecker told his employee this arrangement of killing stories and stories that had come that were negative stories had to be kept a secret because they were going to try to help the campaign and to do that, it had to stay quiet. in almost every regard, the amount of money being paid, the catch and kill scheme, the checkbook journalism is not unusual for these tabloids, but everything was geared to getting him elected. and i think just paraen thetically, our colleague rachel maddow showed the covers, and the covers are what really matter for
trump to essentially only give favorable coverage to donald trump and negative coverage to donald trump's adversaries. again, i think this is really a very standard tactic for donald trump, which is just try and change the narrative. >> and to that point, chuck, i'm reading a note here from lisa reuben who is in the overflow room, i believe. and she's talking about the fact that pecker and pecker describing his conversations with michael cohen, and with his editor, i guess it was...
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the other one was if we go back to the civil fraud trial, and donald trump would recall donald trump was fined of judge engoron. after he repeatedly attacked the law clerk to the judge, he was find $10,000 and held in contempt for violating that gag order. donald trump has a history predating this trial that he's willing to attack, and as you read from the social media post, he clearly has not been punished for violating the gag order yet, and even during the recess, he got on his phone and continued to attack the individual that could put him in jail if he is to continue to violating that gag order. >> we are not yet seeking incarceration -- >> he says this as a win-win, and this is straight from trump's playbook, and he's got -- this is really one of his main things is to attack, attack, attack, and he says it as a win-win. either he goes too far and they do stick him in detention for a night or whatever, and then he really gets to play up the martyr thing, and this is how he's raising money for his legal defenses, he's going to his supporters and passing the hat and saying, oh, wh
the other one was if we go back to the civil fraud trial, and donald trump would recall donald trump was fined of judge engoron. after he repeatedly attacked the law clerk to the judge, he was find $10,000 and held in contempt for violating that gag order. donald trump has a history predating this trial that he's willing to attack, and as you read from the social media post, he clearly has not been punished for violating the gag order yet, and even during the recess, he got on his phone and...
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number three, he was a friend of donald trump's. so his testimony may be more credible for that reason. he may be testifying about something we're not anticipating, and it might be about a direct conversation with donald trump, because, remember, that there were these entries in business records can be shown from the records with the state, with the people need to show is donald trump's involvement and his intent. someone like david pecker may have a lot of information about that. and, finally, the reason that david pecker may be the most important witness is that he's first. he's the first one out of the gate, which means the prosecution is comfortable with him, they trust him, and they want to create an impression, a first impression on this jury. who did they call? who did they choose out of their stable? it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on s
number three, he was a friend of donald trump's. so his testimony may be more credible for that reason. he may be testifying about something we're not anticipating, and it might be about a direct conversation with donald trump, because, remember, that there were these entries in business records can be shown from the records with the state, with the people need to show is donald trump's involvement and his intent. someone like david pecker may have a lot of information about that. and, finally,...