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and you heard donald trump praising him today. now if you said he's attacked everybody else involved in the case, he praises pecker, high praise, still friends. so what do you think is going on here? >> well, i think that trump as we know, is very smart with people pecker has so much on him that we haven't even scratched the surface on. if he went after pecker the way he's gone after his other enemies, there's a very good chance pecker who does not like to be cornered would strike back and say, well, you say this to me. i'm going to go out with this and so by being nice to him, he's trying to put that fire out before it even starts so jeremy, when you're in the courtroom and you were there and watched all of this pecker testifying and you watch both under direct and cross and donald trump bridging those two sets of questioners to david pecker. >> you also were watching the greater all of this. >> how captivated war they, how intently were they focused on pecker you know, it's interesting. i made a point to make sure i was looking
and you heard donald trump praising him today. now if you said he's attacked everybody else involved in the case, he praises pecker, high praise, still friends. so what do you think is going on here? >> well, i think that trump as we know, is very smart with people pecker has so much on him that we haven't even scratched the surface on. if he went after pecker the way he's gone after his other enemies, there's a very good chance pecker who does not like to be cornered would strike back...
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trump got to the white house and donald trump inviting david pecker two. we learned yesterday, two days ago that he invited him to win his his presidential announcement. they invite him to the presidential inauguration. he came to the white house. he was in the oval office. he had dinner at the white house and brought business associates it's because his wife didn't want to come they'll go after him on the timeline and his memory and what he said now, the question of how successfully they can distance himself from donald trump is a big one. is there was built as a thank you dinner that the white house very interesting indeed. >> everybody standby. there's a lot more and we need to discuss excluding the other consequential court case for donald trump we have a breakdown of today's us supreme court arguments over presidential immunity. how the justices appear ready to rule against the former president, while also potentially preventing a trial before election day, stay with us. you're in this situation every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happ
trump got to the white house and donald trump inviting david pecker two. we learned yesterday, two days ago that he invited him to win his his presidential announcement. they invite him to the presidential inauguration. he came to the white house. he was in the oval office. he had dinner at the white house and brought business associates it's because his wife didn't want to come they'll go after him on the timeline and his memory and what he said now, the question of how successfully they can...
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trump, right? it's called in the supreme court donald j. trump, petitioner versus united states. but many of the justices, if not most of them, seemed very, very focused on the precedent this case could set for future presidents, right? >> and just, just because they kept going back to that point, i think it's a it's a big win, frankly for the former president because that's one of the things his, his lawyers kept arguing. they kept saying that if you allow this to go forward this way, that other presidents could face prosecution for any acts they committed in office. and so you'll hear, justice gorsuch describing what he says he sees at play here. listen i'm not concerned about this case, but i am concerned about future uses of the criminal law to target political opponents based on accusations about their motives whether it's reelection or who knows what corrupt means in 15, 12 right? >> we don't know what that means maybe we'll find out sometime soon. but the dangerousness of accusing europe political opponent of having bad motives and if that's enough to overcome your core po
trump, right? it's called in the supreme court donald j. trump, petitioner versus united states. but many of the justices, if not most of them, seemed very, very focused on the precedent this case could set for future presidents, right? >> and just, just because they kept going back to that point, i think it's a it's a big win, frankly for the former president because that's one of the things his, his lawyers kept arguing. they kept saying that if you allow this to go forward this way,...
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donald trump running for office, donald trump the game show host, donald trump, the real estate tycoon, donald trump, the steak manufacturer, and on and on and on to the trump brand is like a legitimately legitimate subject for a defense. it isn't the trump brand was totally part and parcel of the campaign in that way. there's no doubt about that. that's why he was immediately recognizable to the american public and able to be a player in this campaign. but remember, this is candidate trump, prior to president. so like when you're running a presidential campaign, campaign, as you know, there's almost nothing you were doing that is not in the context of that presidential campaign. >> yeah, delta john edwards kara scannell is in new york. she's been following every detail from outside the courthouse. qarrah significant day in court as the judge's now dismissing the jury, those poor jurors get to go poem and have some time to themselves, get us up to speed on where the defense team left matters in its cross-examination of this first witness, david pecker so the defense has only been going
donald trump running for office, donald trump the game show host, donald trump, the real estate tycoon, donald trump, the steak manufacturer, and on and on and on to the trump brand is like a legitimately legitimate subject for a defense. it isn't the trump brand was totally part and parcel of the campaign in that way. there's no doubt about that. that's why he was immediately recognizable to the american public and able to be a player in this campaign. but remember, this is candidate trump,...
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trump and using donald trump also in many ways. but i think the main thing about david pecker is that he's going to be the key corroborating witness for michael cohen, humans, we all know has some credibility issues here. and while they may try and use the non-prosecution agreement as a way to check challenge pecker's credibility i think that they went a long way towards establishing that pecker was a truth teller here and had nothing to hide since he was under some obligation to tell well, the truth as the result of the non-prosecution agreement. so when when when michael cohen comes to testify, they can then say, well, you were at this meeting with david pecker. you had this phone conversation with david pecker. and so there'll be able to tell the same story. and i think that's really important. i know we've been focused on the feud between cohen and trump had said throughout bitcoin has also spent the last two to three years on this crusade to rehabilitate his image& to convey to the public that he understands he did some someth
trump and using donald trump also in many ways. but i think the main thing about david pecker is that he's going to be the key corroborating witness for michael cohen, humans, we all know has some credibility issues here. and while they may try and use the non-prosecution agreement as a way to check challenge pecker's credibility i think that they went a long way towards establishing that pecker was a truth teller here and had nothing to hide since he was under some obligation to tell well, the...
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donald trump, you are not immune. now at that point jack smith's team actually made an unusual move. they said supreme court, we want to skip this middle level. we want you to take this case directly. it's too important, it's too urgent. supreme court said, no, you got to go through the normal channel so that brought us to the mid-level court of appeals, donald trump again claimed he was immune and again, the appeals court, they rejected that argument two they said the same thing essentially, presidents are not covered by their status as former president's. now, a couple of things that we need to know and a couple of things we don't know about immunity. first of all, there is such thing as civil immunity. you cannot sue a president or other federal officials for things they did and within the scope of their job, we know that from 1982 supreme court case involving richard nixon, you will hear reference to that case today. what we don't know and what we will learn today is, first of all, is there such thing as criminal
donald trump, you are not immune. now at that point jack smith's team actually made an unusual move. they said supreme court, we want to skip this middle level. we want you to take this case directly. it's too important, it's too urgent. supreme court said, no, you got to go through the normal channel so that brought us to the mid-level court of appeals, donald trump again claimed he was immune and again, the appeals court, they rejected that argument two they said the same thing essentially,...
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>> donald trump's immunity? the immunity he says, but absolute immunity that he says he should now before the supreme court exactly. do americans believed that he should have criminal immunity? the vast majority, 56% say no, just 28% say yes. so if the supreme court decides that he should have absolute immunity, that is something that applies a very much in the face of public opinion of vast majority say he should not have done immunity. and i will note that's important because the federal january 6 charges the vast majority of the clear majority of americans say that those charges are very serious. k. all right, thanks for acumen track of it all here. >> i really appreciate it, john. >> well, this now is so much trump national security adviser, former us ambassador to the un, john on bolton and i should say a long time, big time lawyer as well. and it's in that capacity, ambassador bolton, i want to ask you to what extent do donald trump's actions surrounding january 6 fall within the boundaries of official act
>> donald trump's immunity? the immunity he says, but absolute immunity that he says he should now before the supreme court exactly. do americans believed that he should have criminal immunity? the vast majority, 56% say no, just 28% say yes. so if the supreme court decides that he should have absolute immunity, that is something that applies a very much in the face of public opinion of vast majority say he should not have done immunity. and i will note that's important because the...
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all in service of overturning the 2020 election for donald trump. and as you mentioned, don trump is not indicted in this charging document, but he is referenced as unindicted coconspirator number one, and some of his closest allies are now facing criminal charges here in arizona that includes mark meadows is former white house staff that includes rudy giuliani is when we're personal lawyer that includes boris epshteyn, who was one of his closest aides even to this day boris epshteyn, people and trump-world tell us that the reason we have not seen boris epshteyn around trump recently including in new york, was started his criminal trial. there's because of concerns about the looming indictment that came to fruition last night. but i want to take a look at a few of the responses from arizona republicans because this indictment also charged all 11 fake electors from this state. you'll remember the fake electors scheme was targeting seven different states. it was part of this broader effort, allegedly to overturn the election, but arizona gop is pushin
all in service of overturning the 2020 election for donald trump. and as you mentioned, don trump is not indicted in this charging document, but he is referenced as unindicted coconspirator number one, and some of his closest allies are now facing criminal charges here in arizona that includes mark meadows is former white house staff that includes rudy giuliani is when we're personal lawyer that includes boris epshteyn, who was one of his closest aides even to this day boris epshteyn, people...
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>> i am donald trump is not trying to change who donald trump is. we all know who donald trump is. so that's already baked into this conversation. so if he was introducing himself to the american public, yes, i could agree with you. he's not he's known he's wrong quantity. >> can i ask what those abstract yeah you that question? >> i just the backdrop that's fine. >> but a backdrop for his campaign that is all about reinforcing the worst pieces of his personality that's where i don't that's where i don't want i might question that as a political winter question to the whole trial is about stories that he wanted to cover up from was it was going to write every day or every campaign has stories that whether it's you really would do damage or not do damage, have stories that they tried to cover up as reported? porter's, you all have been received calls from campaign officials who say, you know what, i think you've got the facts wrong here. yeah. well, i can really john john edwards exactly it worked out great for the man pain. >> let's look at his hair before and after but i guess all
>> i am donald trump is not trying to change who donald trump is. we all know who donald trump is. so that's already baked into this conversation. so if he was introducing himself to the american public, yes, i could agree with you. he's not he's known he's wrong quantity. >> can i ask what those abstract yeah you that question? >> i just the backdrop that's fine. >> but a backdrop for his campaign that is all about reinforcing the worst pieces of his personality that's...
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he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when college i'm testifies to exactly what pecker did, we can't say. he's a liar, liar, liar. that's not true. pecker already said it was because that laundry list you noted about that that makes michael cohen a public figure, also raises a heck of a lot of questions about his credibility that we know the defense is going to talk about joey jackson. thank you very much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate it. >> nothing going on, casey. >> nothing at all. all right. >> now, to this house speaker mike johnson calling on columbia university's president to resign during his tense visit to the new york city campus yesterday johnson visited with jewish students and delivered remarks works with other republican lawmakers as he was booed the entire time. >> it is manifest my message to the students inside the encampment is good. go back to class and stop the nonsense. stop wasting your parents money enjoy your free speech following that tense news conference, johnson defend
he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when college i'm testifies to exactly what pecker did, we can't say. he's a liar, liar, liar. that's not true. pecker already said it was because that laundry list you noted about that that makes michael cohen a public figure, also raises a heck of a lot of questions about his credibility that we know the defense is going to talk about joey jackson. thank you very much for being with us this morning. i really...
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trump, who is donald trump in the courtroom? >> can you point at what was he wearing? any pointed to trump and he said, he's wearing a blue suit and that was the only time where we saw the present former president. he stood up, he sat up in his chair and he gave us smirk literally the only smile i saw him flashed the entire de of describing a smirk i would say it was this mark, it was, you know, one of the faces he likes to give he was he trump was paying attention. i think, especially when david pecker took the stand on monday, trump was very focused on his testimony, i think on tuesday as it's settled in and we listened him speak for hours. trump's sort of dial back, you lean back in his chair. he shuffled through his papers and i think he was a little less focused on every word that he was saying. >> well, it's gonna be tomorrow is going to be a crucial de, what more do prosecutors need from david pecker right now, right. >> so he's done a tremendous job for them. the opening presentation& already in some sense corroborating
trump, who is donald trump in the courtroom? >> can you point at what was he wearing? any pointed to trump and he said, he's wearing a blue suit and that was the only time where we saw the present former president. he stood up, he sat up in his chair and he gave us smirk literally the only smile i saw him flashed the entire de of describing a smirk i would say it was this mark, it was, you know, one of the faces he likes to give he was he trump was paying attention. i think, especially...
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trump picked michael cohen, donald trump picked david pecker. those are the people in his inner circle that he chose to do these things with. so you're left with who you're left with but isn't the issue i mean, michael cohen. >> okay. bad guy. hi. >> everybody can agree he committed crimes with packer. >> isn't the argument? >> well, he's not a bad guy. he's just a businessman who is involved with donald trump he's not the classic cooperator because the classic cooperator is someone who's already admitted to criminal conduct pecker hasn't admitted to, but he has been granted immunity by the fed's michael cohen was prosecuted federally for this. i mean, it's not like there wasn't some criminal acknowledgment federally and because of the supremacy clause unfortunately, that applies to the state, they can't then prosecute pecker for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate in business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulate
trump picked michael cohen, donald trump picked david pecker. those are the people in his inner circle that he chose to do these things with. so you're left with who you're left with but isn't the issue i mean, michael cohen. >> okay. bad guy. hi. >> everybody can agree he committed crimes with packer. >> isn't the argument? >> well, he's not a bad guy. he's just a businessman who is involved with donald trump he's not the classic cooperator because the classic...
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the special counsel, jack smith, is arguing that donald trump has never been above the law. trump's lawyers argued that what he did to try to overturn the election results was part of his official duties as president, and he shouldn't be prosecuted presidents have to be given total immunity. >> they have to be allowed to do the job in arguing that he has presidential immunity. >> donald trump says, if former president's could be criminally prosecuted for official acts, they took as president that threat would loom over everything. presidents do. >> they have to make decisions and they have to make them free of all terror that can be rained upon them when they leave office or even before they leave office. trump's making that argument before the supreme court in the january 6 election subversion case brought by special counsel, jack smith, who counters trump's argument by saying, no one is above the law. the idea that somebody can commit crimes in the oval office and then in perpetuity for the rest of their life, escape all accountability is inimical to american law and the c
the special counsel, jack smith, is arguing that donald trump has never been above the law. trump's lawyers argued that what he did to try to overturn the election results was part of his official duties as president, and he shouldn't be prosecuted presidents have to be given total immunity. >> they have to be allowed to do the job in arguing that he has presidential immunity. >> donald trump says, if former president's could be criminally prosecuted for official acts, they took as...
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only donald trump, nobody else, according to fani willis, donald trump committed a crime and some of the georgia electors dead, but not others, according to the indictment, we see tonight. and another one of the states only the electors are liable, not donald trump, according to other states, no electors, nobody's criminally liable. this doesn't make any sense. come together. it's become a pylon. it's become chaos. and by the way, on top of all this, not a single one of these indictments which came three years after the fact has resulted in a single guilty plea or conviction to any serious or any felony case. i need to see the proof in the pudding before i'm at all impressed by any of these, well jam, the other aspect of that could be, well, there's no coordination then there's not the sort of conspiring least among prosecutors to have one consistent theme. >> each side averaging something different. what do you say to this? >> well, let me look to our show if you want to get into all the wrinkles of time left, let's just say this. if you want to dispel that notion now a little bit,
only donald trump, nobody else, according to fani willis, donald trump committed a crime and some of the georgia electors dead, but not others, according to the indictment, we see tonight. and another one of the states only the electors are liable, not donald trump, according to other states, no electors, nobody's criminally liable. this doesn't make any sense. come together. it's become a pylon. it's become chaos. and by the way, on top of all this, not a single one of these indictments which...
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now, the lie is that donald trump won the 2020 election. that lie was memorialized on video, a video posted by the arizona republican party itself you can see here the fake electors put pen to paper and swore to fraud. the name defendants included the state's former republican party chair to sitting legislators, and a former united states senate candidate. the defendants whose names are obscured by black ink, pierce trump's most inner circle. it's rudy giuliani. it's mark meadows, mike roman, jenna ellis, john eastman, or it's epstein and it's the 1927 yankees of bogus election fraud essentially at the center is one man unindicted coconspirator number one, also known as donald trump, the former president of the united states. now, the arizona indictment is yet another blockbuster moment in a post-presidency that has been historic for all the wrong reasons. and it's not the only time today in a remarkable turn of deja vu that we learned that the former president it could have been charged with crimes and a swing state where he tried to deny
now, the lie is that donald trump won the 2020 election. that lie was memorialized on video, a video posted by the arizona republican party itself you can see here the fake electors put pen to paper and swore to fraud. the name defendants included the state's former republican party chair to sitting legislators, and a former united states senate candidate. the defendants whose names are obscured by black ink, pierce trump's most inner circle. it's rudy giuliani. it's mark meadows, mike roman,...
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and i think whether you are close to donald trump or you worked for donald trump, we all owe the american people the truth about donald trump. we owe them the opportunity to know who he actually is and it's not easy. i was very loyal to donald trump when i worked for him and it took me a long time to make that break der lot of consequences you have to weigh when you make the break with trump world but what i fear more is the deceit that donald trump will continue to perpetuate if more people don't stick up for the truth it must feel really surreal. just, i mean, you worked with mark meadows on the hill. i remember when i was covering the white house and you worked there you are kind of everywhere that he went, you were on air force one, you were in his office, you worked right outside of it it must know what really surreal to see him get indicted a second time. it's really sad i was really close with mark. i really believed in mark as a principle that's why i chose to take drop with the chief of staff so it's difficult to see him in this position. but i think on the greater scale to free
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we're going to be talking about stormy daniels and they're going to try and say, you know donald trump wasn't really involved in this. this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question. is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear argu
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why are you walking free when donald trump, they're trying to lock up donald trump and they're going to argue, you are trying to please the prosecutors. they gave you a sweetheart deal. you're on the palm of their hand. i think the other thing they're going to do and i don't know how much traction they're gonna get is they're going to try to argue the vast majority of your contacts about this catch and kill. we're not with donald trump. they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they have never had to answer before. can a former president be immune from criminal liability for his actions while he was while he was in office. this all stems, of cour
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the hill is quite steeper for donald trump to climb. >> all right, go going to see if you. thanks so much for being here. thank you we're gonna keep monitoring these protests on campuses from coast this programming note, speaker mike johnson will be a guest tonight. >> on erin burnett out front. that's right here on cnn coming up at 7:00 eastern only here on cnn up next on the lead within a matter of hours to immensely consequential cases are going to come for the nine justices of the us supreme court. the first pitt's state level abortion bans versus federal law, which one wins out in a medical emergency how this challenge could have national implications also, the case involving former president trump hits the supreme court. can he be prosecuted for potential crimes he committed while he was president or depressed? sadun's have immunity. we're going to lay out the argument that will test future power of presidents high. >> it's christina again, i'm here to tell you about an all new special offer from my friends at jacuzzi bathroom hey, model that you don't want to miss, w
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and he confirmed for the very first time that that list includes former president donald trump. trump's former attorney, rudy giuliani trump's chief of staff when he was in the white house, mark meadows, and then finally, jenna ellis, who was a trump campaign attorney. what this means is that state prosecutors in michigan believed that those four people were coconspirators in this fake electors plot, though i want to of course stress they are not facing charges in michigan at this time. they were all charged in georgia. you remember that big election interference case down in georgia? they were all charged they're ellis pleaded guilty. the other three in iran doing guys. >> all right. now, marshall cohen, thank you so much for that report any minute now, house speaker mike johnson has said to me with jewish students at columbia university over concerns about their safety. >> and we understand he's said to call for the school president to resign all of this happening as protests breakout across the country live from the nation's capital, one of the most unforgettable night in dc,
and he confirmed for the very first time that that list includes former president donald trump. trump's former attorney, rudy giuliani trump's chief of staff when he was in the white house, mark meadows, and then finally, jenna ellis, who was a trump campaign attorney. what this means is that state prosecutors in michigan believed that those four people were coconspirators in this fake electors plot, though i want to of course stress they are not facing charges in michigan at this time. they...
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but let's hear first from justice neil gorsuch was donald trump's first appointee to the supreme court. and some of his skepticism we're going to essentially regulate the practice of medicine in the states through the spending clause. the answer, i think is yes, congress could prohibit gender reassignment surgeries across the nation. they could ban abortion across the nation through the use of its spending clause already, right? >> congress does have broad authority under the spending clause and yes is if it satisfies the conditions that the spending clause themselves itself requires, then i think that that would be valid legislation and the court had in many contexts recognize spent in class legislation preempts so to the answer is yes. >> okay yeah. >> i mean, it his point was that you're pushing pretty far here, but she kept trying to build in some restrictions. basically the point from the government, from elizabeth prelogar, the solicitor general, is that there's really only a small category of cases, small but very profound and important were a woman health is seriously at risk.
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call us now today, former president donald trump is waiting to find out if he's going to be sanctioned for violating the gag order in his hush money criminal trial hearing, yesterday, prosecutors handed the judge ten social media posts, where they argued that trump violated the gag order. >> and judge merchan appeared unimpressed with the defense's explanations that trump was trying to comply, telling trump lawyer todd blanche quote, you are losing all credibility with the court. >> and even before yesterday's hearing got underway, trump risked violating the gag order by repeatedly attacking key witness michael cohen in an interview he did with cnn affiliate wpvi. it should be noted that the interview didn't air until the hearing was it's over. we have a clip michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me, than he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey
call us now today, former president donald trump is waiting to find out if he's going to be sanctioned for violating the gag order in his hush money criminal trial hearing, yesterday, prosecutors handed the judge ten social media posts, where they argued that trump violated the gag order. >> and judge merchan appeared unimpressed with the defense's explanations that trump was trying to comply, telling trump lawyer todd blanche quote, you are losing all credibility with the court. >>...
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delaware county, donald trump got 76%. nikki haley, 24%. yeah, bucks county trump, at one nikki haley, 19 montgomery county, trump 75 nikki haley, 25. i just want to mind our viewers. nikki haley's not running for president, hasn't been for quite awhile exactly. so what does that tell you? >> well, there's obviously resistance to trump. and this was a closed primary. so these were republicans voting there is a contingent of republican voters who are reluctant about trump. i'm sure this trial is in helping there they're their feelings about that. and this was a way to express that the question is, does that translate into a vote? >> what's your feeling on that? >> i think some portion of them will but we are very tribal society right now politically and when people see the de and the are a bunch of that is going to melt away. but in a marginal race, it could be a difference. >> you're inside the biden campaign right now how do you reach those voters? >> listen, i think that the voters who are not engaged, right now are very much about econom
delaware county, donald trump got 76%. nikki haley, 24%. yeah, bucks county trump, at one nikki haley, 19 montgomery county, trump 75 nikki haley, 25. i just want to mind our viewers. nikki haley's not running for president, hasn't been for quite awhile exactly. so what does that tell you? >> well, there's obviously resistance to trump. and this was a closed primary. so these were republicans voting there is a contingent of republican voters who are reluctant about trump. i'm sure this...
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have a lot of options if he's not willing to send donald trump to jail. and i don't think that he is, at least not right now. >> the gag order is one small part of this case. the overarching case. there's a lot that has happened already with one of the key witnesses here. we heard from the first and very key witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the enquirer who is on the stand talking about conversations that he had with donald trump to help trump's campaign. and hurt trump's opponents. here's some of what transpired during court. pecker sets, and i'm going to put pull this up here as he's talking to trump, it said anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would notify michael cohen who was then donald trump's fixer and personal attorney as i did over the last several years. and the prosecutor say, okay. so they would not get published, you mean? and he responds? yeah. so they wouldn't get published yes. jennifer why is it so important for prosecutors to sh
have a lot of options if he's not willing to send donald trump to jail. and i don't think that he is, at least not right now. >> the gag order is one small part of this case. the overarching case. there's a lot that has happened already with one of the key witnesses here. we heard from the first and very key witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the enquirer who is on the stand talking about conversations that he had with donald trump to help trump's campaign. and hurt trump's...
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i do think there's no way donald trump gets locked up based on his first batch of violations. but you do have to think ahead. i mean, what if donald trump continues to violate, what if the judge continues to reprimand him, continues to find him, and what if this happens? 456 times. so it's possible there could come a moment where this is a reality. i think it's the right thing for the secret service to think about those possibilities. they certainly plan for more remote possibilities than this. but i don't think it's on the horizon immediately as we sit here now and also kind of speaks to it really does speak to the unprecedented nature of all of it, right? that there could be a defendant who may need to be reprimanded to custody, but that defendant also needs to have access to the secret service in case of an emergency, it's all just a lot. it's good to see you la let's see what happens tomorrow. >> thanks, sarah ben, description ever it's a lot. all right. how airlines may soon have to do more to make you happy if you're flight ends up getting delayed. also, millions of medi
i do think there's no way donald trump gets locked up based on his first batch of violations. but you do have to think ahead. i mean, what if donald trump continues to violate, what if the judge continues to reprimand him, continues to find him, and what if this happens? 456 times. so it's possible there could come a moment where this is a reality. i think it's the right thing for the secret service to think about those possibilities. they certainly plan for more remote possibilities than this....
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tower meeting between him, michael cohen, and donald trump. essentially, david pecker saying he was going to be the eyes and the ears of trump's 2016 campaign saying that if he heard any bad stories about donald trump, then he would quote, notify michael cohen, and then he would be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them not be published published, or somebody would have to purchase them. prosecutors asked him purchase a negative stories about mr. trump so that they would not get published. you mean and he had he responded that they would not get published? >> yes. so it really gives us foundation of how this whole scheme work, which is important, john, of course, because yes, there are the charges for falsifying documents, but prosecutors are trying to make that link to the felony, which is essentially that they did that to conceal another crime. and so this testimony is very important for the jurors to hear. now, pecker was on the stand when court adjourned yesterday. it continues tomorrow with him back on the stand and he
tower meeting between him, michael cohen, and donald trump. essentially, david pecker saying he was going to be the eyes and the ears of trump's 2016 campaign saying that if he heard any bad stories about donald trump, then he would quote, notify michael cohen, and then he would be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them not be published published, or somebody would have to purchase them. prosecutors asked him purchase a negative stories about mr. trump so that they would not...
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donald trump. >> i mean, sure. tucker carlson ended up where he should have been interviewing vladimir putin. but mitch mcconnell is kinda punching down and kind of ignoring the elephant, i guess, party in the room, which is donald trump and donald trump's demon possession of ukraine his resistance to this trump in the end, i mean i think in the end, he was hands-off, but certainly his opposition, was interesting. >> i think there's actually met the senator from missouri who point like it out on the first vote. when the senate, when a majority of senate republicans voted against this as a standalone, that virtually everyone elected to the senate, republican elected senate after 2018 voted against it, right basically the republicans in the trump era. yeah, are are dubious of america's traditional role there are still obviously a piece of the republican party that is supportive of that. but the direction of the party in the trump era is towards skepticism about america as the reaganite leader of the free world. and t
donald trump. >> i mean, sure. tucker carlson ended up where he should have been interviewing vladimir putin. but mitch mcconnell is kinda punching down and kind of ignoring the elephant, i guess, party in the room, which is donald trump and donald trump's demon possession of ukraine his resistance to this trump in the end, i mean i think in the end, he was hands-off, but certainly his opposition, was interesting. >> i think there's actually met the senator from missouri who point...
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trump and it looks like that may have had some impacts, but also we know that donald trump has often been squishy on policy. >> and so this would is just one example of many examples of him saying one thing. and then later saying something completely different. and it's not just i think the lobbying and the personal interactions he's had with people connected to tiktok has an impact, but i also think the fact that tiktok is now even more popular than it was when he was in office. it's popular among young voters. there is concern that a ban on tiktok could have a negative impact on president joe biden just because of the sheer popularity of the app. and i think trump wants to take advantage of that again saying, hey, young people, if you don't want to, your tiktok taken away from you, blame joe biden. and so it does put biden in a weird position. biden campaign is on tiktok, but yet he's willing to sign the legislation leading to a potential ban on one hand trump is not necessarily being being telling the whole story about his evolution on tiktok. on the other hand, it's politics, it'
trump and it looks like that may have had some impacts, but also we know that donald trump has often been squishy on policy. >> and so this would is just one example of many examples of him saying one thing. and then later saying something completely different. and it's not just i think the lobbying and the personal interactions he's had with people connected to tiktok has an impact, but i also think the fact that tiktok is now even more popular than it was when he was in office. it's...
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this does not help donald trump chaos is not good for donald trump. i mean, it's just not going into the 2020 election. one of the big things that voters really disliked about trump was just the fact that everything around him was always controversial. it was loud. he has political opponents, even in this republican hi mary, argued that he's not a good role model. i can't think of another case that more exemplifies this idea that trump as a person may not be the type of character that you want as president. that is just a narrative that is not positive for him, putting aside whether or not the jury comes back with a guilty verdict or caitlin mentioned this ted cruz today while ago, i don't remember that we didn't have, we do have it now, but i think it's worth trying because i hadn't actually seen it before, but he is pointing out the relationship. this is when the national enquirer had put cruises father on the cover and story, there was completely made out which david pecker admitted on the state and today, here's ted cruz talking about the relation
this does not help donald trump chaos is not good for donald trump. i mean, it's just not going into the 2020 election. one of the big things that voters really disliked about trump was just the fact that everything around him was always controversial. it was loud. he has political opponents, even in this republican hi mary, argued that he's not a good role model. i can't think of another case that more exemplifies this idea that trump as a person may not be the type of character that you want...
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donald trump trump is like just get it done. he's not in the weeds. in fact, at one point, michael cohen says none i got it. alan and i are going to handle you don't worry about it. we're going to pay him. you don't worry about the how and the how is the crime. so when that tape comes up, that's gonna be a problem for the prosecutor. >> i also think that part of the thing about trump paying attention to details is more to what caitlin was saying, which is the amount of money even for a very rich person like donald trump, he didn't really want to part ways with $150,000 for karen mcdougal, 134 stormy. he did not want to part ways with that money to get his attorneys tried to get out of it once the election was over. so it's really about the dollar here that was concerning to himhe we can come back and decisions still looming for trump and whether he violated the judge's gag order multiple times. the hearing earlier did not go well for the trump attorney with the judge warning trump's lawyer at one point that he was losing all cre
donald trump trump is like just get it done. he's not in the weeds. in fact, at one point, michael cohen says none i got it. alan and i are going to handle you don't worry about it. we're going to pay him. you don't worry about the how and the how is the crime. so when that tape comes up, that's gonna be a problem for the prosecutor. >> i also think that part of the thing about trump paying attention to details is more to what caitlin was saying, which is the amount of money even for a...
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following everything donald trump wanted under the thumb of donald trump and now it is michael cohen who has a chance to apply pressure to the former president. >> will very good report. thanks very much, tom foreman working in the story for us joining us now the investigative journalist, david cay johnson, who wrote a 2016 biography about donald trump. a david, thanks so much for joining us, as you know, better than all of us. this is a very complicated relationship. does that make it complicated for jurors to weigh cohen's expected testimony well not i don't think so many, many times prosecutors have used criminals, career criminals, to convict other people of crimes so the issue here will be not just michael cohen's credibility, but the tape recorder earnings he has of his conversations with trump and the documents that will tend to support his story and of course, it's important wolf to keep in mind that donald trump hired michael cohen and employed him because he would menace people and he would lie for trump when he wanted once they broke from everything i've seen, including my
following everything donald trump wanted under the thumb of donald trump and now it is michael cohen who has a chance to apply pressure to the former president. >> will very good report. thanks very much, tom foreman working in the story for us joining us now the investigative journalist, david cay johnson, who wrote a 2016 biography about donald trump. a david, thanks so much for joining us, as you know, better than all of us. this is a very complicated relationship. does that make it...
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loved donald trump. we talked about trump's style and what he was publishing. he was someone who when trump first one, the white house before all of this became a thing before ami sayyed, this non-prosecution agreement, which is probably why he isn't such a good mood sitting on the stand. >> david pecker came to the white house house. he was in the oval office. he got a tour of the leaky in the trump tower when he came down the escalator, which i had not realized that he was michael cohen said it's very important for you to be here you've been such a good friend. let's be honest. i mean, at this point, trump is pretty used to people who worked for him who were friends with him turning on him and saying that he's a bad person. i mean, this is actually happening more often than not these days for donald trump so this is just one in a series of things that donald trump is being confronted by people who were once very close to him who kept a lot of his secrets who knew him, who may be idolized him at a certa
loved donald trump. we talked about trump's style and what he was publishing. he was someone who when trump first one, the white house before all of this became a thing before ami sayyed, this non-prosecution agreement, which is probably why he isn't such a good mood sitting on the stand. >> david pecker came to the white house house. he was in the oval office. he got a tour of the leaky in the trump tower when he came down the escalator, which i had not realized that he was michael cohen...
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so where is donald trump in all this? the actual defendant in this case, quote here was the question, did he ever tell you whether he had shared these headlines with the quote, unquote, boss prior to their publication he responded, i don't recollect that no quote. you said the michael cohen would call you periodically and say, we would like you to run a negative story about this political opponent or that political opponent, that correct? >> yes. he said, who did you understand we to be referring to? pecker said michael cohen always told me he was not part of the campaign, so i only assume but he was talking to mr. trump that all going to be enough and starting to tell this story for a jury will joining me now, senior political correspondent for the wall street journal, molly ball former january 6 committee, investigative counsel, market get childress and former trump attorney tim parlatore now, tim, i start with you here. think about i always think about trial in terms of a jigsaw puzzle of sorts. what do i need from eac
so where is donald trump in all this? the actual defendant in this case, quote here was the question, did he ever tell you whether he had shared these headlines with the quote, unquote, boss prior to their publication he responded, i don't recollect that no quote. you said the michael cohen would call you periodically and say, we would like you to run a negative story about this political opponent or that political opponent, that correct? >> yes. he said, who did you understand we to be...
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she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described that they were in love. it was a very an actual relationship and that she ended it because she felt very bad about it being an affair. she's a religious woman and i think it's gonna be very different for him to see her in that courtroom versus stormy daniels or that was a more surface level? bowl, a fair it was a transactional. >> they were talking about a roll on celebrity apprentice for stormy daniels. it was not an emotional affair where he talked about having a child and karen mcdougal in her account, i think it's much more emotional thing than the stormy daniels that's really fascinating. i mean, from the lawyers the ram i mean, from an evidentiary perspective, what's the thing that you you need the most for this case to be rock solid from the prosecutor's perspective, i might think it's fitting to that pattern that we've been talking about, right? that's what the pros
she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described that they were in love. it was a very an actual relationship and that she ended it because she felt very bad about it being an affair. she's a religious woman and i think it's gonna be very different for him to see her in that courtroom versus stormy daniels or that was a more surface level? bowl, a fair it was a transactional....
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this does not help donald trump chaos is not good for donald trump. i mean, it's just not going into the 2020 election. one of the big things that voters really disliked about trump was just the fact that everything around him was always controversial. it was loud. he his political opponents, even in this republican primary, argued that he's not a good role model. i can't think of another case that more exemplifies this idea that trump as a person may not be the type of character that you want as president. that is just a narrative that is not positive for him, putting aside whether or not the jury comes back with a guilty verdict. >> caitlin mentioned his ted cruz sound while ago. i don't remember that we didn't have we do have it now, but i think it's because i hadn't actually seen it before, but he is pointing out the relationship. this is when the national enquirer had put cruises father on the cover and a story that was completely made out which david packard admitted on the stand today. here's ted cruz talking about the relationship between dona
this does not help donald trump chaos is not good for donald trump. i mean, it's just not going into the 2020 election. one of the big things that voters really disliked about trump was just the fact that everything around him was always controversial. it was loud. he his political opponents, even in this republican primary, argued that he's not a good role model. i can't think of another case that more exemplifies this idea that trump as a person may not be the type of character that you want...
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for donald trump's opponents. so that's a big contribution, and that's the way the prosecution is framing. this was a big up for donald trump's campaign, and it constituted election fraud so in your opinion, windom trump comes out and says, we'll look i was paying a lawyer and we said legal fees. >> what's wrong with that? what's the answer to that so in this case, it's not just legal fees which professor would do, sorry, go into moser i think in this case, it's not simply that he's paying michael cohen, is that michael cohen is being is reimbursing. >> they're paying these payments to stormy daniels. there's the work that david pecker is doing and bringing in, coordinating all of this together. and that's sort of the misdemeanor part. there's also the tax fraud issue that is also been pointed to, hasn't been brought up. and david pecker is testimony. i think it will come out later on thursday, but the idea that donald trump had to gross up michael cohen in order to make him whole for the payments as he is actuall
for donald trump's opponents. so that's a big contribution, and that's the way the prosecution is framing. this was a big up for donald trump's campaign, and it constituted election fraud so in your opinion, windom trump comes out and says, we'll look i was paying a lawyer and we said legal fees. >> what's wrong with that? what's the answer to that so in this case, it's not just legal fees which professor would do, sorry, go into moser i think in this case, it's not simply that he's...
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this is conspiracy between david pecker, donald trump, and michael cohen. and that they all got together conspiracy requires two or more people to get together, have an agreement and the agreement is to do something unlawful. and what they're saying is what they were doing that was unlawful, was they were unlawfully trying to influence the election. so this is all part of the scheme. the criminal scheme, and they have set up that there was a meeting where this was explicitly discussed, right. so even though this was a matter of as you're saying, this is how things were done, that there was a meeting that they said, look, we're i'm running for president and this is what we're going to do. that's what the prosecution says happened. so pecker is not done yet. he comes back to the stand when trial resumes. so how do you think he will do under cross-examination without will be really any interesting test because he comes across as we've seen, very smooth and savvy. and let me just tell you what the facts are. he's never responded to the threats being attacked. t
this is conspiracy between david pecker, donald trump, and michael cohen. and that they all got together conspiracy requires two or more people to get together, have an agreement and the agreement is to do something unlawful. and what they're saying is what they were doing that was unlawful, was they were unlawfully trying to influence the election. so this is all part of the scheme. the criminal scheme, and they have set up that there was a meeting where this was explicitly discussed, right....
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but stopping stories from being printed about donald trump would only benefit trump. it would not help the national enquirer how important is that? nothing illegal about it, right? nothing stops national enquirer from running positive stories about whoever they want to run stories about. now at the center of this case is this catch and kill scheme& falsifying records to cover up some of the details and some of these articles, you have to establish that there was a pattern of suppressing stories that were unfavorable to trump and pumping up stories that were favorable to him in order to get to the point where you're talking about you're hiding business records to cover up what they're doing. so really what they're doing is laying the groundwork for what should come out if the prosecutors get the testimony they want, which is that these business records were falsified in order to protect the president and help the campaign and added that the prosecution establish that the national enquirer's catch and kill tactic buying negative get up stories and just so as to not run
but stopping stories from being printed about donald trump would only benefit trump. it would not help the national enquirer how important is that? nothing illegal about it, right? nothing stops national enquirer from running positive stories about whoever they want to run stories about. now at the center of this case is this catch and kill scheme& falsifying records to cover up some of the details and some of these articles, you have to establish that there was a pattern of suppressing...
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that's donald trump. and with all of these bricks, as i mentioned before, it's putting it together and it's creating that foundation and doing it very, very well at all points to one person while trump key bona, right? >> who benefits as jeremy mentioned, pecker says michael cohen suggested they switch to talk on signal rather than on a landline or a regular cell phone explain why that's significant yes. >> signal is notorious for being private messages. there's the types of methods judges that wouldn't necessarily be found if there were two b. discovery. and so that the air of using signal is something that could be a bit more nefarious. and that's why it's really a big part of the case that not only are these communications happening, they're having these discussions about the stories that are being planted and also being removed from the enquirer. but they're doing it in a secretive way. now that leads to that old issue of intent, men's riaa, why is it secret? well, it's secret because it's in furthera
that's donald trump. and with all of these bricks, as i mentioned before, it's putting it together and it's creating that foundation and doing it very, very well at all points to one person while trump key bona, right? >> who benefits as jeremy mentioned, pecker says michael cohen suggested they switch to talk on signal rather than on a landline or a regular cell phone explain why that's significant yes. >> signal is notorious for being private messages. there's the types of methods...
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so anything donald trump says. so according to david, donald trump admitted that he had this relationship anytime you do anything like this, it always comes out and says, we need to get mcdougal attacked between david pecker and donald trump. pecker says michael cohen kept on calling me to ask about dylan howard, the editor of the national enquirer's interview with karen mcdougal and david pecker says that he told michael cohen relax. i'll let you know when i hear back from dylan howard del dylan howard flew out to california interview karen mcdougal every time michael cohen calls according to david pecker, he seems more anxious as if he's under pressure, which i would imagine he would be because the boss would be saying what have you heard, what have you heard and michael was very agitated. david pecker said, it looked like he was getting a lot of pressure to get the answer, like right away i think it's really significant that pecker said too, that he's saying that michael that he spoke to trump directly and trump
so anything donald trump says. so according to david, donald trump admitted that he had this relationship anytime you do anything like this, it always comes out and says, we need to get mcdougal attacked between david pecker and donald trump. pecker says michael cohen kept on calling me to ask about dylan howard, the editor of the national enquirer's interview with karen mcdougal and david pecker says that he told michael cohen relax. i'll let you know when i hear back from dylan howard del...
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and taken a pipe to donald trump and donald trump is not permitted to punch back at michael cohen. i think that's it really is the nub of the issue here and it's rubbing trump, but he's got a gag order, right, david? i mean, i i'm not arguing that life is tough people talk about joel, the time when you're the former president that is, one. >> your name is donald trump. here's my question. day because you know, well, do you think he is trying to bait the judge? is he trying to dare the judge into doing something like putting them in a holding cell or something like that because he thinks it'll be politically advantageous. >> now, i'm not sure. i'll jump what's up being a holding cell for? 30 seconds. i'm not sure. you see the reports from folks inside the courtroom. donald trump doesn't do well, sitting still for hours on end, right? so i'm not sure he wants to be wants to go into any any type of holding so i just think he's just putting back in a matter of fairness and in some point, the judge is you we're seeing here in real full-time. the judge is pushing back on him and saying,
and taken a pipe to donald trump and donald trump is not permitted to punch back at michael cohen. i think that's it really is the nub of the issue here and it's rubbing trump, but he's got a gag order, right, david? i mean, i i'm not arguing that life is tough people talk about joel, the time when you're the former president that is, one. >> your name is donald trump. here's my question. day because you know, well, do you think he is trying to bait the judge? is he trying to dare the...
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than for donald trump. the less attention shouldn't that you're paying, the more likely you are to vote for donald trump. so the fact is, if you're paying more attention, you're more likely to vote for joe biden, less attention, more likely to vote for donald trump. so i don't see the case that trump is making here. and also what about the, you know, if you're, if you're paying attention to what donald trump is saying about the trial, he's called every case against him, all of the cases he says a witch hunt are people buying into that? not really. so take a look at this question from nbc news, right? thinking about the upcoming trials trump's being held to the same legal standard is others or being unfairly targeted. the urality, the clear plurality, 50% saying he's being ld to the same unfaly targeted. this rsus just basilly looks like what you would lookt 20:20, right whe biden beat tmp by about 4.5 percentage points. this looks very similar to me when you put it all together, it looks like the trials are
than for donald trump. the less attention shouldn't that you're paying, the more likely you are to vote for donald trump. so the fact is, if you're paying more attention, you're more likely to vote for joe biden, less attention, more likely to vote for donald trump. so i don't see the case that trump is making here. and also what about the, you know, if you're, if you're paying attention to what donald trump is saying about the trial, he's called every case against him, all of the cases he says...
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trump skin and that's why donald trump had that little press conference. what bothers me is that when donald trump made that statement last night to his left, was his lawyer that troubles me greatly because the because the lawyer is condoning conduct that arguably is violating a gag order. and i guarantee you the judge merchan is going to reprimand todd blanche a little bit, but at the end of the de the judge is not going to do anything to donald trump, violate the gag or porter absolutely good lawyer, you're referring to on the left? exactly. but if it were any normal defendant, he'd be cuffed or find. >> but because it's president trump, mr. trump is going to be a slap on the wrist. >> when i mean, the fact that we're here says so much about i guess everything we've been through as a country for the last few decades. >> but what do you make of that argument here? because i mean, nobody really can control jabal, donald trump. i mean, i guess you can hold the lawyer accountable. >> yeah. >> look, i think that's a microcosm of the larger dilemma his lawyers
trump skin and that's why donald trump had that little press conference. what bothers me is that when donald trump made that statement last night to his left, was his lawyer that troubles me greatly because the because the lawyer is condoning conduct that arguably is violating a gag order. and i guarantee you the judge merchan is going to reprimand todd blanche a little bit, but at the end of the de the judge is not going to do anything to donald trump, violate the gag or porter absolutely good...