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but david pecker walks in and he says that donald trump tells a joke, hey, this is david pecker. he's the chairman of the national enquirer, and he probably knows more than all of you in here. what got the laugh was then pecker said the other gentlemen, other and they didn't find it funny that nobody but trump's, but trump from smiled and the jurors and the court, those are in the court and the courtroom, how to laugh as well. so it was a funny moment. it was really the only time today that donald trump actually reacted to the testimony. i think we've seen throughout pecker's testimony, he really has tried not to react. >> he has been very controlled if he's not allegedly nodding off. >> yes. >> that's what that's what here. but i'll also say what came out today, which was important is not just that this was done allegedly for other people, but that there was a relationship with the enquirer, david pecker is about far back as 1990 h's. we'll call it fixing these stories far before for donald trump was the political icon. so there's, there's a history here. but to be clear, just b
but david pecker walks in and he says that donald trump tells a joke, hey, this is david pecker. he's the chairman of the national enquirer, and he probably knows more than all of you in here. what got the laugh was then pecker said the other gentlemen, other and they didn't find it funny that nobody but trump's, but trump from smiled and the jurors and the court, those are in the court and the courtroom, how to laugh as well. so it was a funny moment. it was really the only time today that...
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warmer "national enquirer" publisher david pecker. >> he's been very nice. i mean, david has been very nice. he's a nice guy. >> reporter: trump has known to be 21 for decades and oscars allege the pair along with former trump lawyer michael cohen engage in a conspiracy to suppress negative stories about trump as he ran for president in 2016. pecker told jurors just after the "access hollywood" tapes surface just late wow weeks before the election. >> just start kissing them. >> reporter: discussions of what to do with stormy daniels heated up. the adult form star was according to pecker shot him a story of her alleged affair wit. pecker testified he did not have the money so it told cohen to buy and burying the story. of the story gets out the boss is going to be very angry with you. >> the d.a.s case really rises and falls with david pecker's testimony because he is the linchpin behind the sort of conspiratorial theme to influence the election. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who says she ha
warmer "national enquirer" publisher david pecker. >> he's been very nice. i mean, david has been very nice. he's a nice guy. >> reporter: trump has known to be 21 for decades and oscars allege the pair along with former trump lawyer michael cohen engage in a conspiracy to suppress negative stories about trump as he ran for president in 2016. pecker told jurors just after the "access hollywood" tapes surface just late wow weeks before the election. >> just...
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and david pecker. so we'll see if we could see a second witness begin to take the stand even tomorrow afternoon, even better. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that david pecker testified about a call with two top white house staffers at the time who picks and sarah huckabee sanders would that reveal as someone who covered the white house and remembers sarah sanders being at the white house briefing room where obviously all three of us have sat at one point, she had to deny allegations about karen mcdougal citing conversations that she had with donald trump to hear that review still today that there was a call with the national enquirer tabloid king, hope hicks and sarah sanders while they
and david pecker. so we'll see if we could see a second witness begin to take the stand even tomorrow afternoon, even better. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that...
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pecker, publisher of the national enquirer, da rags witness, he testified made up a negative story in 2016 about the father of senator ted cruz and oswald. rags team cites a felony using new york state law. the underlying crime is a conspiracy to affect election. that's a state law musto a misdemeanor. state law only covers new york state elections, not lateral collections. this is a frankenstein case that the da is not allowed to touch federal election, that's the u.s. justice department federal elections commission. they looked all of this and decided not to go with it because the same problems you're talking about. they don't want to rely on michael cohen is a star witness for the government, they don't want to put david to chris witness because you got cloud witnesses in the case of covid are people testifying favorably to trump. that's why the case -- is left out here. one juror thinks this is not worthy and hangs the case, it's a mistrial and will finish before. >> the southern district of new york, the d.o.j. doctor. manhattan da bragg sets it back into life when trump decided
pecker, publisher of the national enquirer, da rags witness, he testified made up a negative story in 2016 about the father of senator ted cruz and oswald. rags team cites a felony using new york state law. the underlying crime is a conspiracy to affect election. that's a state law musto a misdemeanor. state law only covers new york state elections, not lateral collections. this is a frankenstein case that the da is not allowed to touch federal election, that's the u.s. justice department...
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they're making the connection the david pecker and donald trump were friends david pecker, one point said, the defense attorneys are making the argument. yes. no, no, no, no. the prosecutor prosecutes because they wanted to say david pecker wouldn't be doing this to hurt donald trump. he liked it and he said at one point, i felt that donald trump was my mentor. he helped me throughout my career. i still consider them close even though we haven't spoken. i still consider him a friend. so trump's attorney or the defense attorney, emile bove, is asking you a series of questions since right now, if david pecker, the witness, about how prosecutors in fact prepared pecker to give, quote, consistent testimony. >> every time he's testified, david chatterley and some very interesting testimony not long ago this afternoon, we're david pecker recalled a phone conversation. he had with trump's white house team at the time according to mr. packer, hope hicks, and sarah huckabee sanders sara was the communications director or the press secretary, and hope x was a special assistant to the president
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and then donald trump and david pecker. talking about our girl karen. >> our girl karen and the way he says our girl karen speaks to the idea that he has actually has a relationship with her and this is an alleged ten-month relationship and i did think it was -- you know, and the david pecker stories of new york of old, right. like i mean, ron emanuel and ron perelman. i mean these are people, these are new york people. he sort of served as a kind of press secretary for new york people and he would somehow pump these gossipy tabloid stories into the magazine. what i think is the most interesting is that we saw they had -- they showed some of the stories that the "national enquirer" ran against ted cruz and marco rubio and they were so crazy. >> crazy. >> a lot of them based on almost nothing, right, like the ted cruz -- that dad was somehow a killer. i mean the zodiac killer. completely crazy. what's so like almost tragic to me is ted cruz is now so on team trump -- >> so is rubio. >> right. neither have said anything about
and then donald trump and david pecker. talking about our girl karen. >> our girl karen and the way he says our girl karen speaks to the idea that he has actually has a relationship with her and this is an alleged ten-month relationship and i did think it was -- you know, and the david pecker stories of new york of old, right. like i mean, ron emanuel and ron perelman. i mean these are people, these are new york people. he sort of served as a kind of press secretary for new york people...
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the former national enquirer publisher david pecker on the stand and now being questioned by the trump legal team. earlier he detailed a phone call he had with the former president about payments made to karen mcdougal. he claimed trump was upset that stormy daniels broke in agreement not to use his name. and welcome everyone and sandra smith and for neil cavuto, this is your world. it's a busy day in the trump legal world we've got you covered with fox team coverage. nate foy on the new york trial of what's going on inside the courtroom right now. are legal eagles jonathan and andy mccarthy, katie czajkowski are here. we begin with nate in new york. hague nate. >> reporter: hey sandra. you mention the cross-examination of former american media ceo and resident david packer underway trump's lawyers asking him about his dealings with the former president but the timeline dates back to long before he was running for office or was present of the united states. 's lawyers notably brought up an interaction the 2 had from 1988 when becker notified trump about a negative story coming from an
the former national enquirer publisher david pecker on the stand and now being questioned by the trump legal team. earlier he detailed a phone call he had with the former president about payments made to karen mcdougal. he claimed trump was upset that stormy daniels broke in agreement not to use his name. and welcome everyone and sandra smith and for neil cavuto, this is your world. it's a busy day in the trump legal world we've got you covered with fox team coverage. nate foy on the new york...
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pecker, es lo que le preguntan, que es lo que le cuestionan justamente a este hombre, amigo de donald trump. >> rogelio, y hoy si, todo el dia dura el juicio, a diferencia de otros dias, ¿no? >> exactamente, hoy va a te terminar a las 4 de la tarde, tiempo del este, en las otras ocasiones, el martes termino a las 2, el lunes 12 y media, pero si, hoy es jornada completa, igual que manana, octavio. >> perfecto, rogelio, muchas gracias por por esa informacion, seguimos al pendiente cuando salga el ex de este corte mientras tanto, la fiscal del estado de arizona anuncio cargos contra 18 republicanos que participaron en un intento de revertir la eleccion presidencial del 2020 a favor del expresidente donald trump. >> entre los acusados estan mark meadows, ex jefe de despacho de la casa blanca de trump, su ex abogado rudy giuliani y kelly ward quien fuera presidenta del partido republicano en arizona durante las elecciones. >> esos son cargos por conspiracion, fraude y falsificacion por firmar un certificado asegurando que trump habia ganado en arizona seguimos en arizona donde esta mas ce
pecker, es lo que le preguntan, que es lo que le cuestionan justamente a este hombre, amigo de donald trump. >> rogelio, y hoy si, todo el dia dura el juicio, a diferencia de otros dias, ¿no? >> exactamente, hoy va a te terminar a las 4 de la tarde, tiempo del este, en las otras ocasiones, el martes termino a las 2, el lunes 12 y media, pero si, hoy es jornada completa, igual que manana, octavio. >> perfecto, rogelio, muchas gracias por por esa informacion, seguimos al...
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>> david is a very nice guy. a very nice guy. >> and nothing to say about david pecker. the prosecution brought up that he has immunity in this particular case, and then the judge instructed jurors that they are to assess pecker's credibility as a witness based on the fact that he has immunity. we should tell you that in the course of this and going back and forth like a tennis match to present the information about donald trump and michael cohen and how donald trump's money was managed. zinhle. >> rehema ellis outside of that courthouse, and yamiche alcindor, thank you. and danny cevallos, how does this system compare to earlier in the week? >> we are hearing that some of the conversations were not just with michael cohen, but with donald trump as well, and so of the concerns changed from over time, to i don't want my wife to find out, to i am concerned about the campaign. and this is, again, it can be devastating to the defense, because it is going to mental allegedly falsifying biz and so the people will have to prove the falsification of the business records, but for
>> david is a very nice guy. a very nice guy. >> and nothing to say about david pecker. the prosecution brought up that he has immunity in this particular case, and then the judge instructed jurors that they are to assess pecker's credibility as a witness based on the fact that he has immunity. we should tell you that in the course of this and going back and forth like a tennis match to present the information about donald trump and michael cohen and how donald trump's money was...
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we are hearing more testimony and a big day for david pecker former publisher of the national enquirer that everyone grew up looking at on the grocery store stands. lots of wild hellacious stories often on the cover of the paper. so when former president donald trump was asked about david pecker he was kind of careful not to criticize his old friend who is now testifying against him. live outside the court in new york hi nate. >> in the past minute or so former america media ceo and president david pecker testified about unknown seclusion agreement ami entered with the southern district of new york about campaign violations. he continues to testify about his involvement with the former playboy model karen mcdougal and his efforts to suppress his -- her story about an alleged affair with former president donald trump. he testified trump at manette him after karen mcdougal spoke with the news network about hit her alleged affair with trump. he thought khaki says, there is an agreement preventing him from doing that. he said he admitted it but picker also explained in meeting where he dis
we are hearing more testimony and a big day for david pecker former publisher of the national enquirer that everyone grew up looking at on the grocery store stands. lots of wild hellacious stories often on the cover of the paper. so when former president donald trump was asked about david pecker he was kind of careful not to criticize his old friend who is now testifying against him. live outside the court in new york hi nate. >> in the past minute or so former america media ceo and...
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if you were to cross-examine david pecker what would you do? the state so far has said about the date about killing these stories to suppress bad things about trump because i thought it might affect the campaign. what do you do if you come out on cross? >> i don't think you don't have to deny under these facts, there is no crimes here. some of what he said help to. i'm a criminal defense attorney. if you want to hit a witness you don't want to hit every witness aggressively. pecker has some stuff here that seems to help trump. at one point he suggested that trump did not have any knowledge of the arrangement to reimburse cohen. and various other points he suggested that this was all very fluid. that cohen was making these deals. there is uncertainty as to who would hold the rights, who would get payment and when. all of it seems to come down to michael cohen. sort of doing this on the fly. i also believe the jury will have this weird moment where you have michael cohen saying i think you should put my former client in jail for following my advi
if you were to cross-examine david pecker what would you do? the state so far has said about the date about killing these stories to suppress bad things about trump because i thought it might affect the campaign. what do you do if you come out on cross? >> i don't think you don't have to deny under these facts, there is no crimes here. some of what he said help to. i'm a criminal defense attorney. if you want to hit a witness you don't want to hit every witness aggressively. pecker has...
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so david pecker has been doing two things here. he's kind of been laying the groundwork, explaining how that catch and kill scheme alleged catch and kill scheme works. he says that when one story came out by a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, that he believed she was telling the truth. he alerted donald trump. they agreed that they should buy her story. he testified that he paid her $150,000 for kind of the rights for her story, but disguised it as services paid so he wouldn't violate any campaign finance laws. he then goes on to telljurors in the court that when he tried to get reimbursed from mr trump through his lawyer, michael cohen, his general counsel at the national enquirer, really warned him against that because of legal concerns. and so he says he ultimately dropped that. so that really kind of laid the groundwork for prosecutors to get into the key payment that is at the centre of this case, the $130,000 that michael cohen paid to stormy daniels, which prosecutors here allege donald trump directed. so we've really g
so david pecker has been doing two things here. he's kind of been laying the groundwork, explaining how that catch and kill scheme alleged catch and kill scheme works. he says that when one story came out by a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, that he believed she was telling the truth. he alerted donald trump. they agreed that they should buy her story. he testified that he paid her $150,000 for kind of the rights for her story, but disguised it as services paid so he wouldn't violate any...
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david pecker said, yes, it was later david pecker testified, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign prosecutors are going to say, look, the motive was campaign donald trump's team is going to say well, there was also a personal motive here for donald trump's. so look for that on cross now eventually they enter into a contract with karen mcdougal, ami, david pecker enters into a contract that donald trump himself was not part of. and david pecker said the purpose of that agreement was to disguise the true nature of the contract. they didn't want the public learning about karen mcdougal's allegations. now that brings us to sort of between chapter two and chapter three. the big thing that happens is the access hollywood tape came out and the jury's not seeing that tape, but they've learned about it. this is where donald trump gets caught on camera talking about, you can grab them by the blank, et cetera. we remember that tape and pecker said, when that takes it came out, it was very embarrassing, very damaging. again, to the campaign importan
david pecker said, yes, it was later david pecker testified, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign prosecutors are going to say, look, the motive was campaign donald trump's team is going to say well, there was also a personal motive here for donald trump's. so look for that on cross now eventually they enter into a contract with karen mcdougal, ami, david pecker enters into a contract that donald trump himself was not part of. and david pecker...
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david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me -- melania. and pecker said it was more about the campaign. >> it's on two levels. legally it's important. to have the campaign finance why it's a felony, this is so called john edwards defense, i did this for my family, not the campaign. the principal with the agreement with the other principal, david becker, donald trump. to have him say this was about the campaign, not his personal family goes directly to the legal theory. on the emotional side, just imagine you're a juror, you're in court, donald trump is sitting
david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me...
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david pecker doesn't even know. and his "effexor" and we don't know how much of what he was saying was pecker was b.s. and not rub it on and what donald trump wanted. i think when cohan takes the stand and is cross-examined i think you will see in this it will be at the end of the day michael cohen's word to others versus the former president's. >> john: we have a couple of producers in the courtroom today funneling notes to us so i thought it would be worthwhile hearing one of the latest notes about david pecker's testimony because it's very interesting about a meeting he had with trump at trump tower. the email reads as follows pecker heard a call that trump went for a meeting at trump tower. he'd never seen security like that in his life. jared kushner tapped him on the shoulder and took him upstairs to the 24th floor and walked to trump's office and this time trump was president-elect in 17. pecker entered a waiting room and keith schiller, you are member he was there sort of the head of presidential security on
david pecker doesn't even know. and his "effexor" and we don't know how much of what he was saying was pecker was b.s. and not rub it on and what donald trump wanted. i think when cohan takes the stand and is cross-examined i think you will see in this it will be at the end of the day michael cohen's word to others versus the former president's. >> john: we have a couple of producers in the courtroom today funneling notes to us so i thought it would be worthwhile hearing one of...
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and also when he spoke about david pecker calling him a nice man. prosecutors are just worried that donald trump, through these kind of statements to the press assembled here, through his social media posts, is trying to intimidate potential witnesses. the judge hasn't ruled yet if he will hold donald trump in contempt of court, though he did tell donald trump's team that their argument that he was just responding to political attacks really was losing them credibility with the court. where we're at now, though, lucy, is the first witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, he's back on the stand and he's really still laying out the groundwork of this case, helping prosecutors case that this was all about helping donald trump's campaign. he's outlining instances where his tabloid did do that and did pay hush money. the person they're speaking about right now is karen mcdougal, a former playboy model. and david pecker is really going over in detail conversations he had with donald trump and michael cohen when her story kind
and also when he spoke about david pecker calling him a nice man. prosecutors are just worried that donald trump, through these kind of statements to the press assembled here, through his social media posts, is trying to intimidate potential witnesses. the judge hasn't ruled yet if he will hold donald trump in contempt of court, though he did tell donald trump's team that their argument that he was just responding to political attacks really was losing them credibility with the court. where...
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trump as he is listening to david pecker's testimony. and i have seen paula reid and kasie hunt here with me as you're waiting for this monumental day, just kinda, i mean, we talk about split-screen a lot, but this is really remarkable to see donald trump in a manhattan courthouse and also his attorneys, his other attorneys going into the supreme court and paula, i just a reminder the question that the justices had before that, which is whether and if so, to what extent does a former president enjoy? we presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office. >> it is so wild to me, caitlin, that we are here on this question because in talking to trump's lawyers throughout the special counsel investigation, they would always say this is our strongest argument, but we're going to keep making it that what he did in the wake of the 2020 election to try to subvert the outcome that we're going to make. the argument that those were official acts because not only do we or client a
trump as he is listening to david pecker's testimony. and i have seen paula reid and kasie hunt here with me as you're waiting for this monumental day, just kinda, i mean, we talk about split-screen a lot, but this is really remarkable to see donald trump in a manhattan courthouse and also his attorneys, his other attorneys going into the supreme court and paula, i just a reminder the question that the justices had before that, which is whether and if so, to what extent does a former president...
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david pecker back on the stand. what is the prosecution approach then and what are they going to start with today. >> they certainly pulled back the curtain on the underbelly of the tabloid world in new york city, which may be seedy, but is not illegal. they did not reveal anything that was criminal in nature or that directly related to donald trump's payments to michael cohen who paid stormy daniels. again, unclear what this underlying crime is that donald trump is alleged to have concealed. and so, that was really the extent of it. we learned that david pecker, the former publisher of the national inquirer, he and donald trump had a mutually beneficial relationship. i thought that was interesting. donald trump apparently sold him the most magazines. it was in his benefit to put him on. when he heard donald trump was running for president, he saw an opportunity to help him but also help himself. so he said he would be his eyes and ears on the ground and if bad stories came his way, he would let trump know. and then
david pecker back on the stand. what is the prosecution approach then and what are they going to start with today. >> they certainly pulled back the curtain on the underbelly of the tabloid world in new york city, which may be seedy, but is not illegal. they did not reveal anything that was criminal in nature or that directly related to donald trump's payments to michael cohen who paid stormy daniels. again, unclear what this underlying crime is that donald trump is alleged to have...
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to a friend after david pecker's testimony, as somebody who knows david pecker and donald trump. i said, it's interesting. david pecker just blew this case wide open against donald trump. yet, nothing on truth social. my friend started laughing and said, "you will never hear donald trump say anything bad about david pecker." then suggested that, you know, he knows a lot more about donald trump than donald trump would want people to know. listen to this. again, after this guy just blew open the case against him -- >> became the key witness. >> -- they asked him about david pecker. trump, "david has been very nice, very nice. he's a nice guy." rev, any theories? >> well, the theory is -- >> don't wander too far out there. >> -- whoever your friend is i think is correct. when donald trump says david has been nice, when david got on the stand and just about nailed his legal coffin in terms of this trial, it is because he knows he's been nice not to tell all the other things he may know about donald trump. >> yeah. >> if you have a guy that knows 100 things and he only testifies to te
to a friend after david pecker's testimony, as somebody who knows david pecker and donald trump. i said, it's interesting. david pecker just blew this case wide open against donald trump. yet, nothing on truth social. my friend started laughing and said, "you will never hear donald trump say anything bad about david pecker." then suggested that, you know, he knows a lot more about donald trump than donald trump would want people to know. listen to this. again, after this guy just blew...
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we know that today x tabloid publisher david pecker returns to the stand. the judge has yet to rule on whether trump violated the gag order in that case. we can see that decision come down at any time. in the meantime, trump's former fixer, michael cohen he said that he will stop commenting about the president. he wrote quote, despite not being, despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald on my x formerly twitter account or on the mea culpa podcast until after my trial testimony. see you all in a month or more. tara pulmonary. what's going on here with michael cohen decided i'm not going to say anything anymore to somebody like advise him to do that is that he's been running his mouth for a long time, right. and the big part of this case is based on michael cohen's credibility, right? and so the more he speaks and the more he seems to have a grudge against trump. it makes it a harder case for the prosecutors because the defendants are going to spend all their time te
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pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, going to be back up there. they have been kind of building in something have a crescendo to the point of the stormy daniel story, which we haven't really dug into yet. are you expecting that today? >> what are you looking for yeah. >> i think that's it. i think i'm looking for a couple of things. certainly we know just in terms of resetting that pecker being a person who was involved with the national enquirer, sets the stage for this entire scheme. what scheme? the catch and kill, we're going to get these stories. we're going to pay for them and we're going to kill them, suppress them from public view certainly, the prosecution it has been laying out the as they call it, the prosecutor's this conspiracy and cover up not the conspiracy is tried, but it notes this meeting in 2015 where they will go on to boost trump's electoral prospects by really denigrating his opponents and taking things belonging to trump out of the public domain now, in terms of the testimonies we look at them. they're right, mr. pecker, wh
pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, going to be back up there. they have been kind of building in something have a crescendo to the point of the stormy daniel story, which we haven't really dug into yet. are you expecting that today? >> what are you looking for yeah. >> i think that's it. i think i'm looking for a couple of things. certainly we know just in terms of resetting that pecker being a person who was involved with the national enquirer, sets the stage...
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testimony will get under way with former national enquirer publisher david pecker, set to take the witness stand for a third day. prosecutors wrapped up on tuesday after pecker described an alleged catch and kill scheme that he participated in to cover up an alleged affair between trump and playboy model karen mcdougal. at the same time, judge juan merchan could also rule today on whether the former president violated his gag order. yesterday key witnesses in former trump attorney michael cohen stated he would stop posting or speaking publicly about the trial until after its conclusion. cohen is not under a gag order but has been the target of many of trump's recent rants. though donald trump gave an interview to the abc affiliate in philadelphia this week where he criticized michael cohen, and now one of trump's former attorneys is weighing in on those remarks. here's what trump said followed by new comments from his former lawyer, tim parlator. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar, and he's not no credibility whatsoever. he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a
testimony will get under way with former national enquirer publisher david pecker, set to take the witness stand for a third day. prosecutors wrapped up on tuesday after pecker described an alleged catch and kill scheme that he participated in to cover up an alleged affair between trump and playboy model karen mcdougal. at the same time, judge juan merchan could also rule today on whether the former president violated his gag order. yesterday key witnesses in former trump attorney michael cohen...
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we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in witness dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more of tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 20 when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen, and david pecker about being the eyes and the ears of the campaign and how they were going to find the stories that were negative about trump are salacious about trump, bury them and promote stories that were positive ahead of that campaign. they went into detail about that trump tower doorman who had a story about a woman who claimed that she fathered a child or he fathered a child of her for us and then before court wrapped up and david pecker was done for the day they got into the details of but another playboy playmate, karen mcdougal, who of course alleged af
we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in witness dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more of tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 20 when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen, and david pecker about being the...
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for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate in business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or an awfully allegedly is what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not we were not able to confirm that story. in fact, we debunked it, but had it been real, we would have released it after the election. it was very clear that what they were doing was about the election and at that point when you're paying, wasn't to protect melania trump. it was about the right if it was, then he wouldn't have released it after the election. he was doing these catch and kills fine. but when it was about the election, those when you're paying people, it's an in-kind donation and you have to declare that at a dangerous point, there and asked him whether y
for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate in business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or an awfully allegedly is what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not we were not able to...
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and then hopefully they will maybe get into get from david pecker more information about why this was unique as opposed to something that was normal and as we talk about trump's case and the effort to help his campaign as opposed to just do and checkbook media that there's this had a different level of involvement a different purpose. that purpose being to interfere remember the election on curious. >> what do you think the trump legal defense team is going to try to do to help their client with david pecker. i mean, i think honestly their best defense on this front is i mean, they will do anything they can to diminish trump's personal involvement, to try to cross to try to limit packers testimony. but the fact of the matter is the catch and kill scheme is not the core criminal conduct. that's at issue here. the court cannot conduct is everything that follows it concerning payment to stormy daniels and in particular, how those payments were booked internally on trump's books and why, how and why those payments were booked so i expect the todd blanche and trump's lawyers, to the extent
and then hopefully they will maybe get into get from david pecker more information about why this was unique as opposed to something that was normal and as we talk about trump's case and the effort to help his campaign as opposed to just do and checkbook media that there's this had a different level of involvement a different purpose. that purpose being to interfere remember the election on curious. >> what do you think the trump legal defense team is going to try to do to help their...
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so after david pecker, yes. so we don't know the exact order yet. we're playing that sort of day by day. of course, we will hear from michael cohen, one of the big questions will be to what extent is their testimony consistent or inconsistent with one another? we probably will hear from stormy daniels, the recipient of the allegedly criminally covered up payments. we also may hear from hope hicks, who was involved in the trump campaign's efforts to rebound after that really damaging access hollywood tape. and we have already begun to see the prosecution introduce financial checks. they've introduced some of them but through david pecker, we're going to see, among other things, copies of the checks that donald trump row and some of them he signed in order to reimburse michael cohen what the prosecution is going to try to do. laura, which we did all the time, is build a case that is a latticework or everything overlaps and supports one another we'll see if the defense lawyers can poke holes in that. >> well, i'll see le come on back. thank you so much
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the first witness as mentioned was the tabloid star witness david pecker. by the on the other hand of this hour, i'm also going to get into trump's defense arguments which are important to understand and draw on what we learn from his own lawyers, what they've said in court, in public and sometimes even on this program. right now we look at what the d.a.'s team is telling the jury, that they will prove trump committed a type of election fraud. we'll start with what they said in court. the d.a. thinks they can nail this defendant because, quote, this case is about criminal conspiracy and a cover-up. plain english, and people know cover-ups can get you in trouble. quote, this was a planned, coordinated, long-running conspiracy to influence the 2016 election, prosecutor says, to help trump get elected. it was election fraud, pure and simple. note the use of the word "fraud." that's something donald trump faces in civil court, where he has been found liable for business fraud, but more importantly on the election fraud claim which they're arguing makes ate felo
the first witness as mentioned was the tabloid star witness david pecker. by the on the other hand of this hour, i'm also going to get into trump's defense arguments which are important to understand and draw on what we learn from his own lawyers, what they've said in court, in public and sometimes even on this program. right now we look at what the d.a.'s team is telling the jury, that they will prove trump committed a type of election fraud. we'll start with what they said in court. the d.a....
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pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6 case we'll be right back so this to playoffs, great teammates trust each other. >> we're going to do a trust falls, stand up, trust what you're certainly up doc told you here's a dummy kinda riva support your brain health. married janet. hey, eddie, know fraser, franck. frank bred
pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do...
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david pecker told the court that trump was... this is done as election interference, everybody knows it, i am here instead of being able to be in pennsylvania and georgia and lots of other places campaigning. and it's very unfair. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to sa counts of falsifying business records, and denies having an alleged sexual encounter with ms daniels. meanwhile, david pecker will be back in court tomorrow. now we are joined by lachlan cartwright, one of david pecker�*s lieutenants at ami, the owners of the national enquirer, who turned source for many of the revelations that form the basis of the hush money trial, and was the originator of the catch and kill phrase. he is now a journalist at the holywood reporter. thank you forjoining us. explain your role in this. i thank you forjoining us. explain your role in this.— your role in this. i was the executive editor _ your role in this. i was the executive editor of - your role in this. i was the executive editor of the - your role in this. i was the - exec
david pecker told the court that trump was... this is done as election interference, everybody knows it, i am here instead of being able to be in pennsylvania and georgia and lots of other places campaigning. and it's very unfair. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to sa counts of falsifying business records, and denies having an alleged sexual encounter with ms daniels. meanwhile, david pecker will be back in court tomorrow. now we are joined by lachlan cartwright, one of david pecker�*s...
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the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said to the contrary to michael cohen sentencing judge, he was not fully forth. >> how do you think that defense is going to handle david pecker? >> i think they're going to try a couple of things. one, they will attack that very non-profit, non-prosecution agreement that we've been talking about. they're going to argue this is unfair. why are you walking free when donald trump, they're trying to lock up donald trump and they're going to argue, you are trying to please the prosecutors. they gave you a sweetheart deal. you're on the palm of their hand. i think the other thing they're going to do and i don't know how much traction they're gonna get is they're going to try to argue the vast majority of your contacts about this catch and kill. we're not with donald trump. they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few context
the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said to the contrary to michael cohen sentencing judge, he was not fully forth. >> how do you think that defense is going to handle david pecker? >> i think they're going to try a couple of things. one, they will attack that very non-profit, non-prosecution agreement that we've been talking about. they're...
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then with the testimony going into the testimony of david pecker. my fellow reporters -- it's every line is something we have heard, have past reported on. it's fascinating. it's going to continue, certainly, over the next six weeks. >> what is the sense of what you are hearing in term -- i think you and other reporters have said there will be things we have never heard before. certainly, pecker's immunity deal with the southern district of new york means we haven't heard him in his own words before. doesn't mean the justice department didn't know what he knew. but we hadn't heard it. he testified to a criminal election interference scheme that by every measure violates any reasonable read of election laws. what is the reaction to what is now coming in quickly? >> i certainly think the reporting -- the core reporters are riveted by what pecker is saying. the jury -- this is a marathon for them. they certainly came in, jury selection happened quickly. i think they are just in the process of absorbing. i think the last few days they were certainly int
then with the testimony going into the testimony of david pecker. my fellow reporters -- it's every line is something we have heard, have past reported on. it's fascinating. it's going to continue, certainly, over the next six weeks. >> what is the sense of what you are hearing in term -- i think you and other reporters have said there will be things we have never heard before. certainly, pecker's immunity deal with the southern district of new york means we haven't heard him in his own...
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pecker, testified about a 2015 trump tower meeting with both trump and his former attorney, michael cohen, were pecker agreed to run positive stories about trump and run negative stories about his political rivals joining us now to discuss is former trump white house lawyer and cnn legal commentator, jim scholz. jim, thanks so much for being with us let's start where we left off in court yesterday and we'll reset to pick up tomorrow and that's testimony from david pecker prosecutor zeroed in on questions about the arrangement between trump and the publisher, and the intent behind it. partly because their case relies on making a clear argument to the jury that pecker tried to help trump for political purposes, not personal ones that gets to the core of the alleged conspiracy. i'm wondering how well you think prosecutor did in illustrating that for the jury well, a couple of things. >> one, it was they made clear that there was this idea that the national enquirer was going in pecker. we're going to push out negative stories like you said, and kill the bad ones, right? about trump? >>
pecker, testified about a 2015 trump tower meeting with both trump and his former attorney, michael cohen, were pecker agreed to run positive stories about trump and run negative stories about his political rivals joining us now to discuss is former trump white house lawyer and cnn legal commentator, jim scholz. jim, thanks so much for being with us let's start where we left off in court yesterday and we'll reset to pick up tomorrow and that's testimony from david pecker prosecutor zeroed in on...
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david pecker's statement have not been consistent. so if you have two liars that are getting a platform and can go on the alphabet soup networks at night, those that don't spell anything, only fox does, and you can't defend yourself against the lies, that a convicted liar, michael cohen is saying against you, that is the unfairness that i see here. you know, i don't know where stormy daniels falls in telling the truth or not. certainly somebody that went to prison that is your former attorney can do some real damage if you can't at least say no, this is what the truth is. you can't defend yourself. that's not just only fairness. it's an injustice and it's a reason to let this go and move on to the next. if they want to reset and say, okay, we're going to start the table all over again and from here on out, $1,000 for a thing, trump has enough to talk about. he's back on the campaign trail when he can be. he's talking american people's troubles and woes under this current administration, which is a silver lining with a gag order. >> em
david pecker's statement have not been consistent. so if you have two liars that are getting a platform and can go on the alphabet soup networks at night, those that don't spell anything, only fox does, and you can't defend yourself against the lies, that a convicted liar, michael cohen is saying against you, that is the unfairness that i see here. you know, i don't know where stormy daniels falls in telling the truth or not. certainly somebody that went to prison that is your former attorney...
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pecker testimony. we heard it most of the day, not all day yesterday. we expected to resume tomorrow the court is releasing the actual transcripts and part of what i want to read from the testimony that they released last night is david pecker talking about trump's involvement specifically? and he said i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very, very detail-oriented. i would describe him as an almost as a micromanager from what i saw that he looked at every all aspects of whatever the issue was from a lawyer's perspective, why is that such important testimony? >> well, it's important because one of the main things that the prosecutors have to prove in this case is that the former president was knowledgeable about the fraud that is alleged to have taken place and so this general characterization of the former president as being a micromanager, being involved in the details of things sort of goes along that path of him having knowledge of the fraud that the prosecuto
pecker testimony. we heard it most of the day, not all day yesterday. we expected to resume tomorrow the court is releasing the actual transcripts and part of what i want to read from the testimony that they released last night is david pecker talking about trump's involvement specifically? and he said i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very, very detail-oriented. i would describe him as an almost as a micromanager from what i saw that he looked at every...
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but when court resumes tomorrow morning, david pecker will be back on the witness stand. yesterday, he detailed the catch and kill agreement with trump and michael cohen to buy and bury unflattering stoies about trump during the 2016 presidential bid. with us now to talk more about this, "new york times" investigative recorder susan craig, who spent years covering trump's businesses and finances. she's also been in court every day of the trial. so, sue, let's talk about yesterday, how did pecker do and what were the highlights of his testimony? >> right, so he started in the morning, and he really took jurors through chronologically how things went. the highlight of the day talked a lot about it on air was that meeting at trump tower, where they came to this agreement where david pecker was the eyes and ears of the campaign, he would catch negative stories for trump, and pay for them, and not publish them, and then he would put out negative stories about donald trump's opponents. and it was incredible to hear just the details of this scheme. there was points, michael cohe
but when court resumes tomorrow morning, david pecker will be back on the witness stand. yesterday, he detailed the catch and kill agreement with trump and michael cohen to buy and bury unflattering stoies about trump during the 2016 presidential bid. with us now to talk more about this, "new york times" investigative recorder susan craig, who spent years covering trump's businesses and finances. she's also been in court every day of the trial. so, sue, let's talk about yesterday, how...
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court resumes tomorrow. >> so david pecker is back on the stand tomorrow. one of the pieces that came out in the prosecution's opening but we haven't gotten to it in his testimony yet is the fact that after these payments were made from ami to dino the doorman and to karen mcdougal, after the election, they were released from their ndas. that is critical because, again, what was the purpose of these hush money payments, just to make a hush money payment, it's not illegal, right? but to do it to influence the election and when they're above certain limits, that's what makes it an illegal campaign contribution. so the fact that these were for the purpose of the campaign is critical, and when you have these ndas being released right after the election saying, okay, go ahead, talk as much as you want now, it's very clear what the purpose of the payments were. it was for the campaign. like, you look at the john edwards' case, right, where there was an acquittal on hush money payments. there were hush money payments there being made after the election. that's par
court resumes tomorrow. >> so david pecker is back on the stand tomorrow. one of the pieces that came out in the prosecution's opening but we haven't gotten to it in his testimony yet is the fact that after these payments were made from ami to dino the doorman and to karen mcdougal, after the election, they were released from their ndas. that is critical because, again, what was the purpose of these hush money payments, just to make a hush money payment, it's not illegal, right? but to do...
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and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that they have to prove. but it's disgusting what they did about false statement of false stories that they would plant about his opponents. and so you kind of get this side benefit of the jury thinking wow, that's really dirty play that the defendant was engaged in with david pecker and the political world donald trump is always talking about things being rigged. but in this case, this was something being rigged in his favor i do wanna ask you, elliot, as we go forward, pecker is going to continue to take the stand. what do we expecting to hear or on thursday because some of the salaciou
and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that they have to prove. but it's disgusting what...
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david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not illegal. >> here, he's talking about things that are unfortunately legal. they are unfortunately part of campaigns. the idea that people would pay money to create false information to make their opponent look bad. other campaigns have done that. the steele dossier is a good example of that with the so-called trump p tape and everything else. so it is the unfortunate reality, what they need to do is then tie that to the false business records and i don't think that they're going to be able to do that with this witness. i think he's he's doing a very good job of setting the scene and giv
david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not...
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. >> meanwhile, as testimony resumed in court, national enquirer publisher david pecker laid out the so-called catch and kill agreement. he made pecker testifying. he met with michael cohen and trump and pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on trump's opponents, including a false story claiming senator ted cruz's father was involved in the jfk assassination. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death and before the shooting? it's horrible. >> pecker also offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any potentially damaging stories, pecker saying he told trump he tried to kill those stories so they'd never see the light of day. andrew dymburt, abc news, new york, 509. >> this morning we're taking a look at your travel forecast. new york city is experiencing some late day showers today, but it's a mild high of 70 degrees. another area we're watching, the pacific northwest for a little bit of rain as well. other places like la. looking lovely today. chicago, atlanta. we'll have temperatures in the 70s acro
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. >> meanwhile, as testimony resumed in court, national enquirer publisher david pecker laid out the so-called catch and kill agreement he made during the 2016 presidential campaign. pecker testifying, he met with michael cohen and trump and pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on trump's opponents, including a false story claiming senator ted cruz's father was involved in the jfk assassination, which trump referenced on the campaign trail. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the shooting? it's horrible. >> pecker also offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any potentially damaging stories, pecker saying he told trump he tried to kill those stories so they'd never see the light of day. when he learned a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, was trying to sell her story about an affair with trump, which trump denies. pecker's company bought the rights to the story for $150,000. but to protect trump, pecker says he never published the story. pecker's due back on the stand when the tri
. >> meanwhile, as testimony resumed in court, national enquirer publisher david pecker laid out the so-called catch and kill agreement he made during the 2016 presidential campaign. pecker testifying, he met with michael cohen and trump and pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on trump's opponents, including a false story claiming senator ted cruz's father was involved in the jfk assassination, which trump referenced on the campaign trail. >> what was he doing...
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david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he
david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he
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trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump. >> reporter: on the stand, pecker said trump called him about another story he wanted kept quiet. that of former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who claimed to have had a 10-month-long affair with trump in 2006, which he denies. >> after we had been intimate, he tried to pay me, and i actually did not take that. >> reporter: four days before the 2016 election, "the wall street journal" reported that american media, which owned the "enquirer" at the time, had paid mcdougal $150,000 for the rights to her story, which was never published. in the gag order hearing, the prosecution argued that trump should be held in contempt for all of his scathing commentary about this case. trump's lawyer, todd blanche, said his client's being careful with his words. to that, the judge said, "that's just not credible." maurice. >> robert costa, thank you. >>> now to those escalating clashes and t
trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump. >> reporter: on the stand, pecker said trump called him about another story he wanted kept quiet. that of former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who claimed to have had a 10-month-long affair with trump in 2006, which he denies. >> after we had been intimate, he tried to pay me, and i...
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. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first, the judge held a hearing at the start of tuesday's proceedings on whether the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors have asked the judge to fine him $1,000 for each violation. trump's attorney said he hasn't violated the order. he was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed extreme frustration with that argument, telling his attorney saying, quote, losing all credibility with the court. any violation of the gag order in articles he repost to social media is unintentional. >
. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in...
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david pecker, the head of the national enquirer, acknowledging under oath that they did this ron brownstein, how remarkable was this testimony? i mean, i have to say i mean, we've known about this phenomenon, but right here it laid out in court is still, is still striking. i mean, we don't know what the impact of this trial ultimately is going to be on donald trump. i was struck there was a paul made about two weeks ago now, api national thing research center found that voters were less likely to view this as serious than the other cases they were less likely to believe he committed a crime and then the other big case like election interference, which is going to turn that supreme court hearing tomorrow. but the surprising thing about this poll was even though they thought it was less likely, he can committed a crime, the share of people who said that he would be unfit to be president if convicted was roughly the same as in the other cases that interest that suggests there is a threshold like voters are going to have if he is convicted ultimately, which is not guaranteed voters are going to
david pecker, the head of the national enquirer, acknowledging under oath that they did this ron brownstein, how remarkable was this testimony? i mean, i have to say i mean, we've known about this phenomenon, but right here it laid out in court is still, is still striking. i mean, we don't know what the impact of this trial ultimately is going to be on donald trump. i was struck there was a paul made about two weeks ago now, api national thing research center found that voters were less likely...
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david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for years, and he knew him to be detailed oriented and almost a micromanager. that's hard to distance someone. if you're a micromanager and you're detail oriented, it's hard to say you are hands off. so you can expect them to do that. you can also expect them to try with mr. pecker to talk about other stories, negative stories and falsehoods that were published not at the behest of donald trump but had nothing to do with donald trump. he was in charge of the company for years. >> yeah, i was just going to say the simplest way to
david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for...
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you have david pecker coming in to testify, lighthearted in the way he was testifying to the jury. there, and setting the stage or the jury prosecution asking those foundational questions, you're getting an idea of the framework of what was going on during the campaign. and donald trump and his fixtures around him, making sure that those stories were killed before they reach the public years. and i think that's going to build on the prosecution case, but also we're going to see he had the defense handle this on cross-examination because david pecker is a witness who was sort of complicit in this. he's turned state's witness, and i think that's going to be some mo for the defense to cross-examine him about his testimony. >> all right. in ron, sorry for us on all of this, imran, thanks for much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate your time thanks for adding are coming up next here. a new organization aimed at fighting disinformation. >> we're going to be joined by the former homeland security official who is back in the public eye to lead it plus the box trying to hol
you have david pecker coming in to testify, lighthearted in the way he was testifying to the jury. there, and setting the stage or the jury prosecution asking those foundational questions, you're getting an idea of the framework of what was going on during the campaign. and donald trump and his fixtures around him, making sure that those stories were killed before they reach the public years. and i think that's going to build on the prosecution case, but also we're going to see he had the...