republicans are trying to make gains with latino and black voters and there is some evidence they are making gains there, so you can see how trump and his campaign might talk themselves into the idea that native spanish speaker, son of an immigrant story, how this could resonate with the voters. i don't know that it would matter that much, but you can kind of see the logic. >> just as a refresher, trump called rubio a lightweight, a total lightweight with a little mouth. a very nasty guy. worse than ted cruz in terms of being a liar and of course, he thinks he is little. mckay coppins, my friend, thank you for going through this strange game of pick a trump running mate with me. i appreciate your time and speculation. that is our show for tonight and a reminder, you can listen to every single episode of "alex wagner tonight" as a podcast for free. scan the qr code to listen on the go or search for "alex

wagner tonight" wherever you get your podcast. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell.". good evening. >> good evening. all they have been trying to think, when is the last time i was in a room with donald trump? because i was in a room with him today and i think, i am pretty sure this is correct, that it was 13 years ago at the white house correspondents dinner in 2011 when president obama had some thoughts with donald trump. >> that was a big one. >> i was sitting a couple of tables away, over there, watching the trump side of that and went down to the courtroom today to discover, alex, that 13 years later, his hair is exactly the same color. it has not aged a bit. >> like a fine, fine wine. >> so there is a lot. there is a lot to talk about. >> i feel like there are a

number of premises of jokes. like donald trump and lawrence o'donnell walk into a courtroom. there is more there. >> it turns out when i was walking out there was kind of a moment and we're going to get to that. >> a moment? i'm looking forward to more on that, lawrence. that is a deep tease, as they say in our business. have a good show. >> thank you. at 4:26 p.m. today, maggie haberman posted this to the live update of the trump trial, reporting from inside the courtroom. trump left the courtroom squinting strangely at lawrence o'donnell, the msnbc host, as he did. adam class field who has been in the story every day -- in the courtroom every day reported the story this way. he mutters under his breath, i was sitting right next to him, meaning right next to me. my first time in the trump

trial courtroom and it seems donald trump was not really pleased to see me. that is a shot of me. it looks like i am very far behind donald trump, but i am actually in the first row available to the press and visually there was nothing between donald trump and me when i was sitting there and later in the afternoon i was sitting at an even better spot. and i have my interpretation of what donald trump's face and eyes were trying to say to me and what drove him to create a final moment in the courtroom today that was worthy of new york times reporting. that moment was actually captured in an instant sketch by the brilliant artist in the courtroom for new york magazine, isabel borman, who will join us at the end of the hour tonight to share with the artists i finds in looking around the courtroom, especially at donald trump. she has been in all of the

trump trials and has seen more of his behavior as a defendant in a courtroom than possibly any well -- possibly anyone else and never saw anything like she saw today when donald trump was walking out and looked at me. these were her words. he went full joker on you. that is a much better description than i could've come up with. she will show us your sketch of his flash of anger with me at the end of the hour. he should not have done it, of course. donald trump should not have drawn attention to me. donald trump's political advisor was there, sitting in the front row reserved for trump family members who did not show up once again. boris epshteyn was sitting in front of me and knew i was there. he should've told donald trump when you walk by o'donnell, don't give him the satisfaction

of making a moment about him, but defendants like donald trump always make mistakes and courtrooms. and mistakes are what have slandered donald trump in criminal courtrooms. manhattan's criminal courtroom 1530, is a room of broken lives. like all criminal courtrooms, it has seen an endless parade of the broken lives lived by the people who have made the worst mistake in their lives that leaves them sitting in the defendant's chair in that courtroom. other than the falsely accused, very bad mistakes, often a series of bad mistakes, lead to criminal courtrooms. donald trump was not the only broken life in that room on display today.

the broken man sitting beside him at the defense table rose once again to defend the indefensible. everyone in new york legal circles, including people i respect the most, have at one point or another told me that todd blanche is an excellent lawyer. some of the people who told me that months ago have switched to the past tense. was an excellent lawyer before he sold his professional soul to donald trump. todd blanche was a much respected, highly paid partner enemas days partner in a prestigious manhattan law form and acquiring valuable skills. he could've stayed in that partnership for the rest of his professional life. he could've been well-regarded for the rest of his professional life. instead, to take on donald trump as a client he had to quit his law firm because the law firm wanted no association with donald trump and having

quit his law firm he moved with his family to florida to become a full-time trump defense lawyer, working for exactly one client. there is no good story in the history of jurisprudence about a criminal defense lawyer who decides to work for only one client. the client who has enough criminal legal business to keep that lawyer employed for years and years and years. even mafia lawyers have had many other clients not in organized crime. in criminal courtroom 1530, todd blanche last week suffered the ultimate professional humiliation when judge merchan said to him, you are losing all credibility with the court. as i said at the time you can spend a lifetime in courtrooms and never hear a judge say that

to a good lawyer, never. today's court session began with what was scheduled as a half hour hearing about donald trump's latest violations of the judge's gag order. the prosecution presented those for new violations in a 10 minute, tight, logical, seemingly irrefutable presentation. the worst of the violations was donald trump's comment last week about the jury. the prosecutor read it to the judge. the first item he raised, quote, this is what donald trump said. that jury was picked so fast, 95% democrats. the area is almost all democrat. you think of it as a purely democrat area. it is a very unfair situation, that i can tell you. the prosecutor then went on to cite other violations in the gag order which forbids donald trump from making any public comments about witnesses. prosecutors cited recent comments about michael cohen and david pecker.

when todd blanche stood up to defend donald trump's apparent violations of the gag order, he rambled on without making a single legal point for 20 minutes. and never said a word about the most serious violation, donald trump's attack on the jury. todd blanche was trying to defend donald trump's comments about witnesses. he said, quote, he can't just say no comment repeatedly when he is running for president. that is, of course, a lie. that is a lawyer telling a lie in a courtroom. it is not just a point of argument. candidates refused to comment on issues all the time. no one does it more than donald trump. donald trump very specifically refused to declare his position on abortion for months and months during republican presidential primaries. no politician in our history has refused to answer more

questions than donald trump. while his mouth is still moving, saying other things in response to the question, usually nonsense and lies having nothing to do with the question. and just to sink todd blanche even deeper into the darkness of his broken professional life, donald trump himself proved todd blanche was lying at the end of the day. after donald trump walked angrily past me into the hallway of the courtroom, where he spoke to a pool of reporters with the cameras rolling, the last question asked of him was what did he think of the witness who took up most of the trial day today, keith davidson? and donald trump said, well, i'm not allowed to testify. i'm under a gag order, i guess, i can't testify. now we are going to be appealing the gag order. i would love to answer that question. it is a very easy question.

the easiest question so far, but i'm not allowed to testify because this is a judge was totally conflicted. he has me under an unconstitutional gag order. those were donald trump's words. of course donald trump is not a master of the english language. he did not mean testify. he simply meant i cannot answer your question because i am under a gag order. todd blanche may have learned nothing in the courtroom today, but donald trump did. he learned from that hearing how to respond to a question about witnesses in this case, which is to not answer at all and if he wants to, cite his gag order, which is exactly what donald trump did at the end of the day. donald trump's response in the hallway today directly contradicted todd blanche. directly destroyed todd blanche's credibility and again, the principal argument in defense of donald trump's violations of the gag order. so a week after the judge tells todd blanche he has lost

credibility with the judge, how could it get worse for todd blanche? donald trump found a way to make it worse today. donald trump went out in the hallway at the end of the day and in effect ridiculed todd blanche's defense of donald trump's violations of the gag order. apparently todd blanche had no intention of even addressing the worst violation of the gag order presented by the prosecutors, which was donald trump's comments and attacks against the jury who he accuses of being 95% democrat without having any idea how many of those jurors might be democrats, how many might be republicans. 12% of them voted for donald trump. judge merchan is not an inpatient judge. there are some who could accuse him of being too patient, like this morning. he let todd blanche say nothing for over 20 minutes today before the judge finally had to interrupt him and say, can i

ask you to address the comments that were made about the jury? todd blanche began with the stupidest possible response about the actual words donald trump said. donald trump told the judge, it was a 15 second statement out of an interview that was over 21 minutes long. it doesn't matter if the interview were five days long. what matters is what donald trump said. did he violate the order? the judge repeatedly had to ask todd blanche, did he violate the gag order? todd blanche actually said, quote, the gag order specifically references any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding, so he wasn't referencing juror number 4 is a democrat.

whereupon you could see the judge give up on todd blanche. he shook his head. the judge shook his head, smiled in a strained way just a bit. i silently laughed at the preposterous thing that todd blanche just said. it was the most preposterous possible answer todd blanche could've given. i wasn't talking about juror number 4. you can't find that reaction in the script, the reaction of the room. you can't find the judge's physical reaction to what he heard todd blanche say. the transcript is just words and there is so much that happens in that room beyond the words. in presenting this violation about the jury, the prosecutor said he used his platform to criticize the seated jury in this case. there is no inference needed. it is not just any jury. it is these jurors in this

case, sitting right in this room in a few minutes and todd blanche is a disgraceful and guaranteed to lose violation of the gag order, to actually say donald trump did not specify any one of the jurors. no he didn't. he specified every one of the jurors. everyone of them who filed into that room at the end of the hearing and passed by donald trump as fast as they could, without looking at him in any way, as if there were an obstacle there that they had to speed past, something dangerous. i have never seen a faster walking jury in my life. a jury who wants to pass by that defendant. move past the defendant over and done with as fast as their legs can carry them. it is not unusual for some jurors to take in the room when

they enter in cases. their eyes sometimes fall on the prosecutor, often on the judge. sometimes on the defendant. frequently smile at the judge. sometimes there can be small smiles that are flashed around the room by jurors that don't really tell you anything about what they are thinking, but often show you that a group of people are entering this room with hints of humanity on display. not so with the trump jury when they enter. when they took their places in the jury box, which i had a very full view of in the afternoon, they settled into their roles and all pay very strict attention at all times to what is happening in that room and it does not seem that any of them have likely complained about freezing in the courtroom as donald trump has done relentlessly, including one of the middle- aged jurors who was wearing

nothing but a t-shirt all day. that is how freezing it wasn't in the courtroom. but as a defendant in the courtroom everyone moment must be chilling. certainly it is for donald trump. donald trump spent most of his courtroom day listening to someone he has never met. the third broken life on display in the courtroom today, keith davidson, a lawyer who even todd blanche can look down on. keith davidson's testimony revealed that he makes much or most of his living as a bottom feeder in the cesspool that no law school student has ever aspired to. attorney keith davidson negotiated $130,000 hush money payment to stars stormy daniels to guarantee her silence about her one, according to her, very quick sexual encounter with donald trump. that he negotiated the $130,000 deal with michael cohen is

documented in email records, text messages and voice recording records. there is absolutely no reasonable doubt left in the room about keith davidson negotiating that deal on behalf of stormy daniels with michael cohen. that is the essence of his testimony. that is what it is about. that is why he is a witness. but when your life goes so far off course that you find yourself negotiating hush money payments with presidential candidates so that you can help hide the truth about that candidate from voters for a fee of $10,000 that you earn from that transaction, it might not be the only unseemly thing you've been involved with in your life. and so on cross-examination, much to donald trump's delight, i am sure, but to no relevant point, donald trump's other

criminal defense lawyer, emil bove, tried to expose keith davidson's role in trying to arrange hush money payments and successfully arranging hush money payments, in one case for as much as $2 million, from other famous men including hulk hogan and charlie sheen. keith davidson was also involved in trafficking information about the treatment of young actress lindsay lohan in a rehab facility. this testimony from this person who has sullied his law degree, took place in a building filled with honorable lawyers working for government salaries or for public defender wages who every day make the law a noble calling. but every courthouse has the other kind of lawyers. the worst kind of lawyers, passing through those court houses every day, too. and with every bit of dirt that

keith davidson revealed about himself and every bit of dirt that was thrown at him by donald trump's lawyer, what really mattered in that room is that the oldest person in the room, sitting under a crown of blonde hair at the defense table, lived his life in such a way that his future was in the hands of keith davidson in october, 2016, when he was asking the people of the united states of america to make him the next president. i was sitting in the front row of the reporter section of the courtroom, which is actually the third row of spectator seats. the first row is reserved for circuit sevis agents. -- for secret service agents. the second row is for the family and then there is the third row, where in the afternoon there was nothing, nothing between me and the back of donald trump's head. the same seat was occupied last

week by the writer, jonathan alter, who wrote at some length for the washington monthly about his day of contemplation staring at, quote, the back of his head. the meticulously coiffed souffle. what you see under the hair in that courtroom is a very, very small man. donald trump is actually the tallest person in the courtroom. at least an inch taller than i am, but when he sits in his chair, he does it with the common slump of the elderly. he sinks. his 77-year-old backbone shrinks to the point where he is sitting as the shortest man at the defense table and he sits for the first time in his life as a little man in

confinement. there are many people in america hoping donald trump goes to jail. there may be just as many or almost as many hoping that he doesn't, but for those who hope donald trump goes to jail, you can put aside some of that hope now, because courtroom 1530 from 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. is donald trump's jail. it is the first time in his life he is not allowed to leave the room whenever he wants to. it is the first time in his life when he doesn't get to decide when to enter. it is the first time in his life that he does not get to decide what to say. he is not allowed to speak. he is not allowed to move. he is not allowed to leave. there is no diet coke in the room. donald trump has not experienced anything close to

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now to our legal discussion tonight with adam klasfeld who was in the courtroom today, sitting beside me. also andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel . he is an msnbc legal analyst, co-author of the best-selling book, the trump indictments. the historic charging documents with commentary. he was in the courthouse with us today, too. adam, there is a bunch of things to cover, but to begin with on that hearing about the possible new issues of contempt against donald trump for violating the gag order, the one that seems locked-in, guilty beyond a reasonable

doubt is the one about the jury. >> absolutely and to your point, lawrence, i saw the same thing you did about the judge looking incredulously at todd blanche, shaking his head. one thing you don't find in the transcript, i want to highlight one other portion of what the judge actually said in response to all of that. okay, it is 10:10. just reminds him of the time. >> because this was supposed to be done at 10:00. 10:00 rolls by and todd blanche is up there talking and has not said one word about the jury. >> not one word. the entire thing was conveyed without nonverbal look of disapproval and the next words out of the judges mouth are, i understand your argument. that written order, the last time he announced his order in a housekeeping decision, very nonchalantly. if there is any venom in it, it will happen on the page, in the written order. you are right, that was the

moment and merchan was characteristic . >> andrew, just to show the judges balance on this, he pretty much verbally, didn't formally, but verbally dismissed one of these charges involving david pecker. a thing trump had said about david pecker that the judge said he is probably going to let that one go and maybe fine on the other three. >> the judge is endlessly fair and made it clear. he said look, there are carrots and sticks and this was a carrot in terms of mr. pecker. that is technically a violation. he said i am not focusing on that. it is clear he is very perturbed about the jury. i had a number of things that were unusual, by being there as opposed to the reading. one was the judges voice. you know, there are different ways that judges control the

courtroom. some judges can't and do a poor job of it, but others are screamers. very loud voice. lots of paraphernalia, like clerks who pound the order in the court, that kind of thing. that is not judged merchan. i was surprised he is soft- spoken. endlessly polite and the way that courtroom is clearly his, i think that kind of quiet respect. he is clearly an adult in the room and that is where i wish that everyone if they could not see it, i wish at least they could hear it, because it is really impressive. the other thing i thought because i have not been in many courtrooms. remember, there is a ton of press, a ton of security. a ton of public people coming

to watch this and the entire court staff, this is a pretty antiquated courthouse, is flawless. the court officers, you know a lot of people think that will be officious. it could not run more smoothly and people were treated so well, whether it was the press, whether it was the public. it was wonderful to see and they deal with a hell of a lot in that courthouse and this was on top of that. everything worked like clockwork. great to see our judicial system at work and everything you talked about in terms of your opening, it is so tawdry. there is so much about donald trump. witnesses in terms of the worlds they inhabit and you know what you saw when they went to court. you saw the best of america and

best of the criminal justice system. whether it was the judge himself or the people who make that courthouse work. >> it is all on display in that one room. one more thing about the courthouse, because this is the first time any group of courthouses has had to protect a former president of the united states in teaming up with the secret service in that room. several of those court officers have to stand, looking back at the entire spectator section, not leaning against anything. unsupported. they just physically stand there for at least an hour at a time before they are relieved by someone else. i've never seen court officers have to do that kind of duty in a courtroom, but it is one of those things that is only going to happen in this courtroom with that secret service group there. to the evidence today, keith davidson basically has a big practice of sleazy junk as a lawyer, including the stormy daniels stuff, right?

but his position in the case is, i negotiated the deal with michael cohen. he has been cross-examined. it is over now. the cross-examination is over. nothing was cracked on negotiating the deal with stormy daniels. he wants the jury to not like davidson, because he has trafficked in so much other creepy, nasty stuff. it is hard to believe that the jury is going to have issues with this guy. this is who you end up with in these stories. >> one has to wonder whether he was trying to take a swipe at someone who was not in the room, which is stormy daniels. he kept referring to the word extortion. to say that word as often as possible. it appeared more than 12 times in the transcript. >> he basically said repeatedly, you always did these negotiations going is close to the line of extortion

as you could. >> absolutely. and at the same time he has to try to dirty him up, because there was such devastating evidence in the form of text messages. of course we heard in the beginning when this trial started, the what have we done texts. now jurors were shown it today and we saw dylan howard's response to keith davidson on election night, when it seems trump is going to be elected. he asks what have we done and dylan howard replies, oh my god. there was no ambiguity. there was a question and answer that were there and keith davidson said that this was about the election and when you have evidence like that, when you have text messages, you have to go to repeating the word extortion as many times as possible. >> andrew, i thought the defense had one good point. actually a good point to make,

that he did make, but it was clouded in all this talk about all these other people who have nothing to do with the case and that was the point about the document that was signed using the pseudonyms. that they used for stormy daniels in reaching this agreement and donald trump in reaching this agreement and the line where trump was supposed to sign was never signed. that seems to me to be the best thing to bring up on cross- examination of this witness and i am sure we will hear about it in final argument, but even that point got, i thought, drowned by so much else around it. >> so, i agree and disagree because one of the things i would say is that point, which is a good point for the defense, that the agreement has three signatures, but it was supposed to have a fourth, which is donald trump. >> trump claimed i knew nothing about this whole deal. >> that shows i didn't, because

i didn't sign it. there is another explanation, which is that he does not want to create bad evidence against himself. that was brought up by the government. that document, that is what a good prosecutor does. you make sure there is nothing surprising like that. you don't want that to come out when the defense brings that out. so a standard thing that you would have done here. a very short cross where you said you did not deal with my client. you dealt with michael cohen, so you don't know anything about what happened to michael cohen and my client. and this document, just repeat and sit down. that just highlights to the jury that point. so you don't cloud all of your other points. they then sort of say okay, you had an agreement with michael cohen. there is no question about that. i thought the most compelling part of today is every single thing that you heard from davidson was an email or a text

or is in a document. he was so closely tied and lashed to a document that confirmed what he was saying, that the idea that there was nothing to cross him on other than he is not a particularly likable guy in terms of what he has done with his life. but it does not matter. he can be likable or not likable, the facts are the facts. i know why they try to say he was an extortion artist, that the jury just doesn't like him. i thought having just heard david pecker, when they did not do that, i thought okay, if anyone here is sleazy it is someone who took the stand and said i had an agreement with the defendant where i engaged in intentional defamation and election fraud. everyone was like okay, that guy ran the national enquirer. to me if there is anyone who would get that kind of lashing from the defense, it should have been mr. pecker.

it will be interesting to see what the jury does, but i thought it was a lot of theater, not a lot of substance. >> got to set the alarm early tomorrow because i'm going back to the courtroom. you are going back to the courtroom. are you going back tomorrow? >> i am not. i have the day off. >> we will get through lunch without you somehow. thank you for all day and for tonight. really appreciate it. it has been exactly 2 years since we learned roe versus wade was being overturned by the republican controlled supreme court and now another state, nevada, is ready to put women's reproductive rights on the ballot in november. jacky rosen, who is running for reelection, will join our discussion next and later we will be joined by the courtroom artist who captured the moment when donald trump, how should i put this? couldn't take his eyes off me for some reason in court.

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today marks at least two years since politico obtained late supreme court justice samuel alito's draft majority opinion overturning roe versus wade. it marks one day since florida's ban on abortion signed into law by florida governor ron desantis went into effect yesterday. today, vice president kamala harris said this. >> two years ago we learned in

a leak to draft a decision that the supreme court of the united states would overturn roe versus wade and in the two years since, in states across our nation, extremists have proposed and passed laws to criminalize and punish women. laws that make no exception, even for rape and incest. today, one in three women of reproductive age in america live in a state with an abortion ban. to be clear, donald trump did this. he hand-picked three members of the united states supreme court because he intended for them to overturn roe and they did, as intended. and he says he is probably responsible for it. to be clear, if he gets a chance, donald trump will sign a national abortion ban, but we are not going to let that happen. when we win the white house in november and when the united states congress passes a law

that restores the protections of roe, our president, joe biden, will sign it. because you see, we trust women and women trust us to fight for reproductive freedom. >> joining us now is democratic senator jacky rosen of nevada. she is a member of the armed services committee and is running for reelection to the united states senate in nevada this year. senator rosen, thank you for joining us tonight. we are seeing a reversal of a reversal. arizona did finally repeal that 1864 law. the democratic governor signed the repeal of that in arizona. this is in your region, nevada, neighboring state to arizona. what does this issue mean in your campaign this year in nevada? >> first of all, thank you for having me on to discuss this really important issue about women's freedom. this is what it is really about and we can say that maga

extreme republicans want to take women back to the 1800s if they could. this bill in arizona that they just repealed, make no mistake, they will try to put in more bands going forward and you can see in city afters -- city after city, county after county, state after state, how draconian these laws are and how they are putting women's lives at risk. with no exceptions of women show up to an emergency room almost dying, needing to get that healthcare. in nevada we know and we believe that women should have the freedom to make their own health care decisions, overwhelmingly. for the past 30 years we have had a statute of protections for reproductive freedoms for nevada's women and we felt it is important enough now to enshrine that in the constitution. so we are putting that on a ballot question in november. i am proud to sign onto that ballot and continue to advocate

for women's freedom, because all of the men running against me in a very crowded, maga, extreme republican primary, every single one of them has a record. every single one of them wants to institute a nationwide abortion ban, regardless of what they say now to win a primary or when this seat and we have to stop them from doing that. you can go to rosen for nevada and chip in to help us restore and keep women's freedom across this country. >> it is hard to think of a city that was hurt economically by covid more than las vegas and therefore the state of nevada. what is the state of economic recovery from that in nevada? >> you are exactly right. during covid we experienced some of the highest on deployment in the country because we had to close down the famous las vegas strip, because we did not want to see more people spread covid across this country. let me tell you, our tourism

industry is back. i am proud to serve as the senate chair for the tourism subcommittee, on the commerce committee and you can see with allegiant stadium, with the super bowl, with formula one, with the stanley cup and back- to-back wnba champions, concerts, the sphere, the formula one race, las vegas is back as the entertainment capital of the country. we are growing in that way and growing with our clean energy economy and sustainable future. we still have a ways to go, but we are coming back and i can tell you some of the laws that i have helped pass and write over the past few years are helping to bring nevada back. a sustainable energy future, tourism future, and of course for our seniors, for our veterans, working on so many policies that help them continue to thrive. >> vegas is back. senator jacky rosen, thank you for joining us. coming up, the new york times reported that donald

trump squinted strangely at me. today leaving the courtroom. adam klasfeld reported that donald trump glowered at me and muttered under his breath. the artist who captured that moment in court will join us, next. next. hey, everybody. w. kamau bell here. they say that america is the land of the free. but right now, people in the u.s. are seeing their freedoms taken away at an alarming rate. freedoms some of us take for granted. the right to vote. equal access to health care. book banning and other forms of censorship that threaten our right to learn. and here's something truly shocking, right now in our country hundreds of thousands of people are incarcerated simply because they couldn't afford bail. that's not free and it's not fair. but there is hope for change. it lives in people like you

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the trump criminal trial for new york magazine. thank you so much. here it is. i'm going to hold it up here between us. i have to put on the glasses that you saw me wearing in the courtroom today, so this will make sense to people. what did you see when he was walking out of that room? >> well, it is one of those moments where everybody is really exhausted at the end of the day ended this kind of, like for me, everyone is vulnerable and kind of moving back from their position in the court and that exhaustion into okay, now i have to go work. so there is this moment where people are transitioning back to their humanity a little bit and i knew there was going to be attention as he walked back. what i observed was he turned to you and this big smile spread across his face. not the kind of smile, like a

smile you might share with a friend, but something -- there are many types of smiles and he turned that smile toward you and i saw you kind of rise to the occasion and give it right back. and it was kind of one of those things where no words needed to be said. >> here is what i thought he was trying to say with what turned out to be a really crazy version of his face. that he was trying to look at me and convey, without being able to say it, i am a really tough guy, i am a scary guy, i hate you, i'm going to get you. that seemed to be what he was trying to deliver to me and to do it he did the weirdest stuff i've ever seen his face do. i was giving him a pretty simple smile back, which i was hoping was saying to him, how stupid could you be to have your life end up in this room?

>> and all of that was picked up without a word and i think that is a really family- friendly way of communicating what i picked up on. >> yes, right. it is cleaned up. >> it is the cleaned up version, but there was a serious confidence to the look he gave you and that does not surprise me at all, but it is just that within the conditions of this trial, he is not engaging the same way that he has engaged in other trials. even with me, i've had moments where we have spoken, but he sort of walks down that gauntlet and there are no words exchanged and i have not seen an expression like that, silently shared from trump to another person. and so it was electric. >> you know, first timer lock. >> it was very gotham, though. i do not resend the joker

comment. >> i thought that was a perfect description. >> it was cartoonish and to the point and he demonstrated he does not follow the gag order. >> isabelle brourman, thank you very much for capturing the moment. thank you for joining us at what is a very late hour for you. you have to be up at dawn to get in the courtroom again. >> thank you so much for having me. >> thank you. we will be right back. back. ♪ limu emu ♪ ♪ and doug ♪ hello, ghostbusters. it's doug... ... of doug and limu. we help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. anyway, we got a bit of a situation here. ♪♪ uh-huh. uh-huh. ♪♪ [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty liberty liberty liberty ♪ ghostbusters: frozen empire. in theaters now. hi guys!

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isabelle brourman gets tonight's last word.