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continue nearly seven months into the war in gaza. amna: secretary of state blinken is back in the region today, and pressed not just for a ceasefire and hostage release, but for much more humanitarian aid into gaza. meantime, the israeli bombardment continues in gaza's south, with the city of rafah in their sights. homes in southern gaza today, nothing more than crushed concrete, and twisted bodies. amid this wreckage, one small survivor, just two months old. >> we took her from under the rubble, thank god. was she holding a rocket or was she standing near tanks? what's her fault? amna: palestinian medics say at least 22 people were killed in israeli airstrikes on rafah last night. as the barrage continues, pressure mounts for hamas and israeli leaders to stop the violence. the international criminal court has been investigating possible israeli war crimes in gaza, recent reports cite israeli

officials as worried that arrest warrants may be imminent. on friday, prime minister benjamin netanyahu responded saying quote, the threat to seize the soldiers and officials of the middle east's only democracy and the world's only jewish state is outrageous. hamas leaders could also face warrants for the horrific october 7 attacks. neither israel nor the u.s. recognizes the icc, but other countries could arrest anyone with an outstanding warrant. the state department today said any ruling from the icc would not apply. >> on this investigation, our position is clear. we continue to believe that the icc does not have jurisdiction over the palestinian situation. amna: meanwhile, thousands of israelis rallied in tel aviv calling for a hostage release and ceasefire deal ahead of negotiators from israel and hamas arriving in cairo today. the white house said president biden would call leaders from qatar and egypt today. hamas has released multiple

videos of hostages in the last week, including illan seigel's american father, keith. >> seeing my father today only emphasizes to all of us how much we must reach a deal as soon as possible and bring everyone home. amna: secretary of state antony blinken returned to the middle east today for his seventh trip since the war began. at the world economic forum in saudi arabia, he called on hamas to act. >> hamas has before it a proposal that is extraordinarily, extraordinarily generous, on the part of israel. and in this moment, the only thing standing between the people of gaza and a cease fire is hamas. amna: at the same forum, regional leaders stressed that peace would only follow a two-state solution. saudi foreign minister, faisal bin farhan. >> in order for us to be able to talk about a sustainable pathway to stability, to security, including for israel, we're going to have to talk about a palestinian situation where the palestinians have hope.

amna: at a meeting of the gulf cooperation council, blinken pledged to carry that message to israel. >> the most effective way to address the humanitarian crisis in gaza, to alleviate the suffering of children, women, and men, and to create space for a more just and durable solution, is a cease-fire. but also not waiting on the cease-fire to take the necessary steps to meet the needs of civilians in gaza. amna: palestinians in gaza find pockets of peace wherever they can. for some, sheltering in deir-al-balah, that means a brief family respite at the beach. hoping the waves will drown out the sound of drones overheard. umm malik abd rabbo brought her kids here today. >> every time there's a plane in the sky, it frightens the kids here. although i came here to give the children some semblance of safety, fear is fear.

children get scared. amna: her husband, little mayar's father, is still in northern gaza. >> i came to the beach because i haven't been here in seven months. i came to have fun with my cousins, and my sister and my brothers. i don't feel safe and i hope the war ends so i can go back to my dad. amna: for now, there is safety on this sand. but just miles away in rafah, the war rages on. the state department announced today that five units of the israeli military were found to have violated human rights in incidents before the current war, and not in gaza. the u.s. says those violations are being addressed, and will not affect u.s. weapon sales to israel. ♪ geoff: in the day's other news, ukraine appealed for quick delivery of western weapons, as

it gave more ground in the east. the army chief said sunday that ukrainian troops pulled back from three villages, lacking air defenses under heavy russian fire. in kyiv, president volodymyr zelenskyy met with nato head jens stoltenberg, and warned that a new u.s. aid package, and other weapons, can't come soon enough. >> the russian army is now trying to take advantage of a situation when we are waiting for supplies from our partners, especially from the united states. and that is exactly why the speed of deliveries means stabilizing the front. russia's army is preparing for further offensive actions. geoff: for his part, nato's stoltenberg criticized alliance members for not delivering what they have promised to ukraine. in western kenya, at least 45 people died in flash floods early today after torrential rain across the region. more than 100 people were injured, and scores more were missing. floodwaters in the great rift

valley region coated the area in mud, wiping out homes and uprooting trees. heavy rain has inundated the area since mid-march. weeks of record heat are hitting extremes across asia. temperatures have soared to nearly 117 degrees in myanmar and 111 in thailand. cambodia has had its hottest weather in 170 years. today in the philippines, classes were canceled for millions of students, and rickshaw drivers in bangladesh were taking breaks to rest between jobs. >> i have never experienced such heat in my life. yes, it should be hot, but there would usually be gusts of wind and ra. but it's not happening this time. people are suffering a lot. geoff: in neighboring india, officials are predicting more heat wave days than normal until june, when the monsoon season sets in. in oklahoma, an extensive clean-up is underway after weekend tornadoes killed four

people and injured at least a hundred. the storms spread destruction across the small town of sulphur, south of oklahoma city. entire commercial blocks crumbled, and homes were blasted into piles of bricks and wooden beams. a federal trial began today in hawaii over the leak of jet fuel into pearl harbor's groundwater. the contamination came from an underground u.s. military fuel tank and put thousands of people at risk. three lawsuits by military families argue navy officials knew the water was tainted, but told people it was safe. the government disputes whether it really caused health problems. the fda will begin regulating new medical tests developed by labs to see if they actually work. the final rule, announced today, applies to tests for everything from cancer to covid-19. it does not include existing test products. agency officials say the rule is designed to quote, ensure that important health care decisions are made based on test results that patients and health care providers can trust.

and on wall street, stocks edged higher to start the week. the dow jones industrial average gained 146 points to close at 38,386. the nasdaq rose 55 points. the s&p 500 added 16. and there is a new record in music. taylor swift is now the first artist to occupy all 14 top spots of the billboard hot 100 at the same time. they're all tracks from her new album, the tortured poets department. swift also set the previous record two years ago, when she occupied the top 10 spots. still to come on the “newshour”" tamara keith and amy walter break down the latest political headlines. author david sanger discusses his new book on america's new cold wars with china and russia. and we take an inside look at npr's long-running tiny desk concert series with its new host. >> this is the "pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter

cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. geoff: pro-palestinian protests showed no signs of letting up today across many colleges and university campuses. if anything, encampments and protests have been growing. universities handled their respective situations differently, but several schools are drawing a tougher line. columbia university said it started suspending some students who stayed in encampements after a deadline. state troopers were called in at the university of texas at austin. and nearly 300 people were arrested at other schools over the weekend. tensions again at a boiling point today with state troopers arresting students at the university of texas at austin after encampment went up. >> let them go! geoff: meantime at columbia university, students refused to leave their and cam it has been up for nearly two weeks. >> we will not be moved by these

intimidation tech expert -- tactics. you can see the students are mobilized. there are hundreds of them. geoff: this morning the columbia university president delivered a deadline to students. either voluntarily end the encampment or face suspension. he said columbia was in danger of violating civil rights law's. we must take into rights of all members of our community, he said. the encampment has created an unwelcoming environment. external actors have contributed to creating a hung -- a hostile environment that is unsafe for everyone. and there were arrests at a number of other schools including at virginia tech. washington university in saint louis. arizona state. the university of georgia. and indiana university. new encampments popped up at wesleyan and other campuses.

at some schools like ucla there were dueling demonstrations. where supporters of israel also turned out. at other campuses college officials said the majority of those arrested over the weekend were not students. at arizona state for example only 20% of those arrested were students. in the meantime a number of schools including columbia have said they will not divest from israel. protesters have said they want to see schools cut investments with israeli companies that may benefit from the war in gaza. they are also demanding schools divest from military weapons manufacturers and cut research and academic ties with other israeli universities. >> we will diverse divestment. we need to put pressure now. we are going to continue to push for that and we will not leave. geoff: we are going to get one

of many perspectives now on the student protesters' demands of divestment, what it is, and how it works. charlie eaton is assistant professor of sociology at the university of california, merced. he is also author of the book, "bankers in the ivory tower." thank you so much for being with us. we should say the calls for divestment vary in scope from school to school but on the specific matter of divesting endowments from any company linked to israel or businesses that might be profiting from the war, how realistic is that fr most major american colleges and universities? what does it require? charlie: divestment is technically very doable. there are hundreds of socially and environmentally responsible divestment miniatures that any endowment could shift its funds into those socially and environmentally as possible funds. that have a range of criteria

that guide their investment. so it is a matter of the university finding an investment manager whose investment practices match the values and principles of the community. geoff: aren't fiduciaries bound by a duty to increase the endowment's value, which is a responsibility that is unaffected by outside social pressure or ideology? charlie: any endowment can be managed to grow and to serve the university community even while being managed in a way that is socially and environmentally responsible. that is why many university endowments all what you have social response ability guidelines for endowments. for-profit prison investment we have already seen at columbia university, we have seen fossil fuel divestment from columbia university and the university of california system, where i work. so it is something where there is a precedent. geoff: many companies like

amazon, coca-cola, microsoft, are, or have been invested in israel. these are the types of companies likely to be included in the portfolios of many american colleges and universities. what is the impact on a college's bottom line if they remove these kind of funds from their investment portfolios, these fortune 500, fortune 100 companies? charlie: i am not in a position to say one way or the other whether giving a company's involvement -- accords with suppose of justice for equity at a given university. but i can say there are many, many other assets is cool can invest in. there is no shortage of investment opportunities in our global economy that are socially responsible and can both grow the endowment and align the university's economic ties to the larger economy in a way that fits university values about

equity and justice. geoff: a spokesperson for and why use school is not considering israeli defenseman in part because it's endowment needs maximum returns to help the university fulfill its research and educational mission. what is the big picture risk here? charlie: it is that this issue is opening faultlines in the university community and there are a lot of concerns about freedom of speech on campus, concerns about letting the university's values and principles guide the university's on-campus life but also how it is related to the larger economy. the nyu endowment is going to be fine no matter what they decide to do. there are plenty of corners of the global economy and the u.s. economy where the nyu endowment could be invested.

and yield equitable returns. so i would not be worried about investment returns. instead i think universities need to be asking themselves, what are our values and principles and how do we apply them in a consistent way where the entire university community feels part of that? geoff: is there a way to do that without a university's endowment taking a hit? charlie: you look at columbia university, the university of california endowment. the university of count -- of california has $150 billion in assets under endowments and pension funds. it divested from fossil fuels in 2020. the endowment is still doing fine. the columbia endowment is still doing fine. so i think it is possible to let justice and equity also guide investment endowment decisions without the endowment taking a hit.

geoff: charlie eaton, thanks for your time and your insights. we appreciate it. charlie: thanks. ♪ amna: india has increasingly seen its stature grow on the world's stage. led by populist hindu prime minister narendra modi, the world's biggest democracy has grown its economy and its geopolitical influence. but an investigation by the washington post adds new evidence to allegations that india is also trying to murder some of its critics, even on american soil. william: according to the post, on the eve of modi's first state visit to america, members of his government's spy agency were plotting to kill an american citizen in new york. sikh separatist leader gurpatwant singh pannun has been highly critical of modi's government, and while the plot against him was foiled by u.s.

law enforcement, it's opened a window into just how audacious the indian government is becoming. pulitzer prize winning reporter greg miller helped break this story and he joins us now from london. greg, thank you so much for being here. could you just tell us a little bit more about this plot? who were the plotters, and tell us a little bit more about who they were targeting. greg: so the plotters are operatives within the india's intelligence service, its spy agency which is known as the research and analysis wing. it is very closely controlled by modi and his international security advisors. the targets of this are part of a broader community, religious

community of sikhs who are regarded by the modi government as a threat, as enemies of the of the sort of hindu nationalist state that modi is focused on building. so the two targets that we spend our story focused on, were kind of leaders of an effort to revive a largely dormant campaign to create a separate state, a separate place for sikhs in northern india. this was something that sort of traces back to the 1980's, when there was a lot of -- many thousands of people were killed that sort of went quiet for many decades since then, but has flared back up with, since modi came to power. william: i mean, the idea of a foreign government attempting to kill a u.s. citizen on u.s. soil. i mean, the i used the word audacity. does that seem like the right word to you? how did they feel that they could and should pull off such a such a thing? greg: and audacity is probably an understatement here.

it's remarkably brazen for the indian government to, one, sort of to set a plot like this in motion anywhere, let alone one that was supposed to unfold in the united states, which has some of the largest and most effective security and surveillance agencies in the world. part of it is india seeing itself as a rising power in a new era of global competition, entitled to carry out operations it sees other governments as having been doing for many, many years. but at the same time, in this case, the attempt included lots of, really, hard to understand mistakes, you know, tradecraft blunders that contributed to the failure, thankfully, of this operation. william: your report details how

one official close to modi likely knew of and/or sanctioned this operation. what does your reporting tell about how high this goes? greg: yeah, i think that this is a really important question, and i don't think that there are terribly clear answers. we spent a lot of time interviewing u.s. officials, indian sources, other officials and western governments. and so i think that there is, you know, as we say in the story, u.s. spy agencies have assessed that modi's national security advisor was probably aware of these operations, if he hadn't sanctioned them. but the agencies are much more confident that the head of india's spy service, somebody named saman goel, had actually authorized these operations. so if that's accurate, these go very close to the inner core of modi's inner circle.

william: how has the u.s. responded to this? i mean, your report lays out the tension that the biden administration has of wanting to cultivate india as a growing power, as a negotiating partner, but also seemingly quite alarmed at this brazen attempt at an assassination on u.s. soil. greg: this was a nightmare situation for the biden administration because on the one hand, you have a very grave, violation of american sovereignty. you have a foreign government plotting to kill a sikh activist, but somebody who is a u.s. citizen on u.s. soil. and at the same time, this plot is traced to a country that the biden administration has spent three years trying to build closer ties with, largely because of a concern about china. and as i said, this sort of shifting geopolitical order has given india increased leverage

in its relationship with the united states. and so you end up with a situation where literally at the same time the biden administration is welcoming the indian prime minister to the white house, in an event that's designed to sort of cement closer ties, the indian spy agency is secretly issuing final instructions for an assassination that's supposed to happen only a few hundred miles away in new york city. william: greg miller of the washington post. really tremendous piece of reporting. thank you so much for being here. greg: thanks so much for having me. ♪ amna: as protests of the war in gaza spread to more college campuses across the country, the impact on the 2024 presidential race could be growing too. just one of the stories to discuss with our politics monday team.

that's amy walter of the cook political report with amy walter, and tamara keith of npr. we have seen the protests been spreading, we saw them outside the white house correspondents dinner, and in countries around the world like egypt, jordan, france, australia. it is not necessarily just young voters in america among democrats or young voters of color. there is some concern expressed in a recent new york times piece by a wisconsin congressman that some of his older and most white constituents have been increasingly asking about biden's approach to the war in gaza. amy, walk us through this. can president biden meet their concerns, and should he be more concerned about these protests? amy: i think the more attention that is being paid -- first, let's start on college campuses, and is now going everywhere. it is also a little bit of a rorschach test. if you are a progressive person, a more liberal leaning person,

you see those protests and you think ok, these are people standing up for the rights of the oppressed and this is a war that is not taking the lives of innocent people and we have to protest that. if you are a conservative view look at it and say this is chaos. there is disorder everywhere, these schools need to crack on these encampments. i don't know if that more broadly means that this issue itself is a more salient voting issue. and that is sort of the real question here. in the sense of, is it something that is uniting liberals and conservatives over the approach to these issues? maybe the framework in which they see this issue, they are united on that. what it actually means for how they vote. for example, the most recent cnn poll found that among those say they are supporting joe biden right now, 44% of them

disagree or dislike the way he is handling this situation. tamara: the biden white house and the biden campaign are in something of a bind. because there is not a lot of wiggle room on policy. these protests have not pushed biden to change his policy really in any way. he had a call with benjamin netanyahu yesterday where he continued to apply pressure to netanyahu, to help resolve some of the very serious humanitarian challenges in gaza, to open up new humanitarian aid routes and otherwise. he is putting as much pressure as he can. he has been talking to various world leaders trying to get a cease fire. short of a cease fire happening in the hostages being released, there is not a lot of wiggle room for biden. he is pretty stuck and he is joe biden. and he does not appear to have any desire to move towards the

more progressive wing of his party, particularly because there are real divisions about these protests and whether they are effective and also whether the rhetoric of the protesters has moved too far to the left to the point of anti-semitism that will cause a backlash. amna: here is what the matchup looks like between president biden and former president trump. right now you have mr. trump leading president biden 49 to 43. and republicans continue to lineup behind mr. trump. former challenger ron desantis, you met with him over the weekend. his former attorney general bill barr, who has testified against trump, said this. >> if faced with the choice, i feel it is my duty to pick the person i think would do the least damage to the country. and i think trump would do less damage than biden. amna: that follows new hampshire governor chris sununu who once said on this's -- this set that

voting for trump would be like throwing gasoline on a fire. >> so just to sum up, you would support him for president even if he is convicted in classified documents. you would support him for president even though you believe he contributed to an insurrection. you would support him for president even though you believe he's lying about the last election. you would support him for president even if he's convicted in the manhattan case. i just want to say, the answer to that is yes, correct? >> yes, me and 51% of america. amna: other than liz cheney there is no part of the party that is behind him right now. tamara: nikki haley has not actually said anything. she has not endorsed trump. ron desantis endorsed trump as soon as he dropped out of the race. it is interesting to continue to watch nikki haley voters and what happens with them. but we have said all along that republicans, especially professional republicans who want to continue to be professional republicans, they are going fall in line. the question is whether some of these voters who may be did not vote for trump in 2020, whether

there is any chance at all he can bring them back. that seems somewhat less likely. the biden campaign is putting real money and certainly targeted advertising before sending digital ads into communities where nikki haley did surprisingly well in primaries weeks after she had dropped out. and they are using tape of former president trump saying nikki haley voters, i don't need them. amna: can they be persuaded? amy: what we don't know is how many of them are already biden 2020 voters. where she did best are also places where biden did the best. it comes down to what this issue, and what these polls are also showing. voters do not necessarily like donald trump anymore than they did in 2020, but they feel a lot better about his presidency than they did. or let me put it this way. they feel a lot better about his handling on pretty much every issue than they do about joe

biden. that was not true in 2020. so there is something of this nostalgia for the presidency, not necessarily for the person. amna: his hush money trial in new york will pick up tomorrow. we now have numbers from the save america pac, his primary fundraising since he left office. in march alone, the pac spent nearly three point $6 million on mr. trump's legal fees. that is roughly the same amount they spent on his presidential campaign in the month of march. how do you look at those numbers? hi supporters are continue to happy to pay his legal fees? tamara: his fundraising has not been as brisk as his campaign would like or his pac would like and they are working to turn that around. but in the meantime, yes, a lot of money is going to legal fees. additionally he is just not doing a lot of events. i know he is in court all week

but even when he has not been in court he has not been having events. that is changing this week, as wednesday he has some rallies. but since super tuesday he has not been campaigning away you would expect from someone turning towards the general election. that also goes to television ads, where the biden campaign is vastly outspending trump what the trump campaign says is he earns media. he just gets it. he doesn't have to pay for it. geoff: he does get a lot of attention. amy: he does. what biden is actually hoping is the media attention on the trial helps biden in that it reminds those voters who may have some the nostalgic for, well, the economy was better in 2020, or i was not as worried about the border in 2020, that they go, oh, right. these are the things i did not like about donald trump. if that focus continues while he is on trial, to the degree that

it is not televised i think is a problem for the biden campaign in that strategy. because as we saw, he is running behind right now. if you are the biden campaign you need to make this a referendum on trump more than anything. and the only way you do that is if there is a whole lot of attention on the person who is not the president of the united states, and it is very hard to get that level of attention when you are not the president unless you are a former president and a criminal. amna: always good to see you both. ♪ geoff: on christmas day 1991, the soviet union ceased to exist, and with it, the cold war. at the same time, china was amid its rapid expansion and opening to the world. now, times have changed. russia is again a principal american adversary, now joined

by a much stronger competitor, china. the challenge presented by both nations, and the missteps made by u.s. presidents in dealing with both along the way, is the subject of a new book. here's nick schifrin. nick: after the end of the cold war, successive presidents and administrations considered china and economic partner who should be integrated into the west and tried repeatedly for recess with russia. today there is bipartisan consensus that china is the u.s.'s most important long-term challenge and russia is trying to redraw the borders of europe while hacking u.s. government agencies and promising the limits cooperation with beijing. that transformation of what the u.s. because great power competition is the story told in the book, "new cold wars, china's rise, russia's invasion, and america struggle to defend the west" by the new york times's david sanger. a pleasure to have you back. david: great to be with you. nick: how, as you write, did

bipartisan faith in globalization become, quote, what you call the fantasy error of 21st-century foreign policy? david: after the fall of the berlin wall there was just an assumption, a flawed assumption clearly, that russia and china, each for their own different reasons, would pursue their economic interests. and the theory was that this was such an overwhelming imperative for both countries that would override china's interest in taiwan, russia would set aside -- they would make a lot of noise about ukraine, but they would not really do anything. and every element of that assumption turned out to be wrong. and when you think about the great either intelligence failures or the great wishful thinking of the past 30 years, that was at the core. nick: you point out that the u.s. and european leaders,

quote, projected u.s. and european thinking on authoritarian regimes. how so? david: well, we assumed that what they wanted was more interchanged with the west so they would get more trade with the west. of course that runs directly contrary to authoritarian thinking. and so there was bill clinton. when he would go to beijing university and tell the students the internet will set you free. that it will undercut the communist party. he got it completely wrong. by the way, i bought into that argument when he was making it. similar problem with russia. president bush is floating down the never river outside st. petersburg on a party boat with putin, putin's then-wife with laura bush, and they are all talking about how russia will join the european union, how one day it might join nato, the alliance created to contain the old soviet union. nick: the mistakes you point out

not only decades ago, strategic miss perceptions the u.s. had, but after a key moment, 2014, when russia invaded and annexed ukrainian crimea. and you write about, quote, the west's failure to grapple with a new reality. it was almost as if the u.s. and its nato allies work flying on autopilot assuming that small course corrections would safely land the plane. explain that. david: that was, i think in many ways, the most egregious example of the wishful thinking i referred to. putin went to the munich security conference in 2007 and said there are parts of mother russia that need to come back into the fold. and we pretty much ignored him and said he is making a lot of noise for people back home. seven years later he took crimea and of course the donbas. president obama did not want to challenge him. he said i am not going to go to

war for a russian-speaking former part of russia. meanwhile, the u.s. did not even named the russians as the aggressor in cyberattacks on the white house, the joint chiefs of staff, the state department. and so the message that putin got was, the u.s. will tolerate this stuff. and a year after he took crimea the german chancellor angela merkel signed the nord stream 2 pipeline agreement with him. that is where things were until the weekend before they invaded all of ukraine in 2020. nick: which brings us to today's policies on russia, and let's start there in ukraine. what is the pit in germany, and what is project maven? david: it is a place, an intelligence sharing operation between the u.s., the british, and the ukrainians. although they go through this sort of odd dance because president biden, in his effort

to keep the u.s. from being a direct participant in the war, has mandated that the united states could not give exact targeting data to the ukrainians print so in the -- to the ukrainians. so, in the pit they say, we think there is interesting activity over here. project maven is a project for integrating all of this data. it is a way of seeing on what the pentagon calls or single plate of glass all of what the military activity is of the enemy and also of your own forces. and what is fascinating about it is it is the war against russia in ukraine that has been the u.s. effort to battle test this and other technologies. nick: and when it comes to the biden administration's policies on china, you point out many of the measures dismissed by trump's critics at the time as hawkish or ad hoc or fear mongering would end up repackaged and carried into the biden years.

how much continuity has there been? david: none of the trump-era tariffs on china have been lifted. you have to give credit for president biden's team for putting this into a bigger strategy. of shifting forces into the indo pacific, of building up the american semiconductor industry, although there were elements of that starting in the trump era, so we are not so dependent on the chips from taiwan being produced 100 miles off the chinese coast. but certainly there were elements including banning huawei, the chinese telecoms company that you saw on the trump administration. nick: finally, the book title, new cold wars. as you point out, china is much more integrated in and integral to the world economy than the soviet union ever was. why do you see these as new cold wars? david: the "s" in the title is important. one of the differences between the old cold war to what we

have now is you have russia and china operating together. that never happened in the old cold war. that was exactly what nixon and kissinger were trying to prevent with the opening to china. now of course there's a partnership without limits, or that is what xi jinping and president putin called it. if in fact, china and russia can find something closer to an alliance, then we're going to be back in the heart and lines of the old cold war rather than this view of a globalized, borderless world that we had a bit of a pipeline 30 years ago. nick: the book is "the new cold wars, china's rise, russia's invasion, in america's struggle to defend the west." david sanger, thank you as always. david: thank you, nick. ♪

geoff: it's a tiny desk that's become a huge draw for some of the world's most famous musicians. i worked at npr many years ago and recently returned to talk to the new host of the long-running concert series about why this unique format continues to resonate with so many. it's part of our arts and culture series, canvas. so this is the tiny desk. >> it is a tiny desk, a tiny space, a tiny everything. geoff: bobby carter's new job is a big one, overseeing npr's tiny desk concert. this wildly popular series has racked up billions of views on youtube. along the way convincing some of music's biggest names to play a stage like no other. >> i decided to take this as an opportunity to show you how the song sounded when i first wrote them. geoff: these intimate, stripped-down performances offer major stars like taylor swift

the chance to showcase their talents in ways audiences rarely get to see. ♪ she stepped behind the tiny desk in 2019. or when rapper and autotune pioneer t-pain showcased his real voice three years earlier. ♪ in all, more than 1000 artists have performed here, including alicia keys. ♪ and some, you have maybe never heard of, like this chicago-based marching band, who somehow fit more than 20 musicians behind the tiny desk. the performances happened in front of an audience made up of mostly npr staffers inside its

washington, d.c. headquarters. this really is an office space. >> you would be surprised how money people don't realize that. before warned, you are walking into a regular office. this is just a desk. the acoustics are not great. so, rehearse, rehearse, rehearse, because it is different. geoff: carter leads a team of producers, videographers, and sound engineers who film performances about three times a week. including a recent one with jazz pianist bob james, who played alongside dj jazzy jeff and a rapper. are rules still the same? >> yes. we always let them know this is unlike the are used to going on stage. there are no bells and whistles and tricks which you hear -- tricks. what you hear and what you see is what you get. geoff: but changed it come for tiny desk in october when the longtime director and serious cofounder retired.

>> everybody come down just a tad. geoff: bobby carter, who has been at npr for 24 years and has been producing the concerts for a decade, was promoted last month. how do you see tiny desk evolving? >> we can continue to evolve by just not touching this. of course we can grow in many ways, but it is more so how do we maintain the essence of what we have been doing. geoff: that has always been a challenge but never more so than during the pandemic. as concert venues across the country including the tiny desk shut down, he worried he might soon be out of a job. ♪ but several artists, including many from around the world, like british pop star dua lipa, and spanish singer, came to the rescue. filming hom concerts. >> those home shows, not only did they help us sustain, but it

really helped us grow. geoff: now back in person, the tiny desk looks and feels as cluttered as ever. >> justin timberlake recently left his megaphone. geoff: in large part because of what artists leave behind after they perform. >> juvenile's juice, he sipped plenty of those. pretty much everything you see back here has a story. a stallion, a sweat rag. our centerpieces that brick bear from the grateful dead. geoff: the most recent addition? a cue card from saturday night live's spoof of the series. >> hi, yeah, can we be quiet please? some of us are working. ♪ geoff: artists have around 15 to 20 minutes to express themselves as we wish, in a space that holds only 200 people.

and carter says the planning for these concerts can be months in the making, especially before the series welcomed legendary r&b singer babyface last year. >> usually, we're just talking to the teams, the representatives, the producer. his assistant got on and said, we got babyface right here. i was like, what? he was like, hey, i want to get behind a desk. i am going to have three background singers, and i'm going to get behind a desk and run through all the hits. that show was a flex. also, he flexed on the time because he went way over. but who is going to tell babyface to stop? geoff: tiny desk has also long spotlighted up-and-coming on -- artists. since 2014, they have posted the tiny desk contest which invites unsigned musicians to perform original songs at a desk of their choosing.

♪ winners have a chance to play their own tiny desk concerts. ♪ and some, who won in 2017, have gone on to find commercial success. the new orleans band was nominative for a grammy as best new artist two years later. ♪ but even some of the biggest stars like usher have used the tiny desk to reach new audiences. i am convinced you can draw a line between usher's resurgence and him booking that super bowl halftime show to his meme-making performance on tiny desk. >> someone like usher, they don't necessarily need us. but this definitely helped put some fire on what was going on. geoff: now 16 years after the first tiny desk, carter says he

still respects any artist will into perform here. >> each and every artist willing to be that vulnerable behind the desk, it is not easy. geoff: was on your personal wish list? >> oh god, where is the camera? i'm talking to you, sade, bruce springsteen, beyonce, kendrick lamar. that is why i am still so excited about this. because there are so many artists who haven't taken a shot at this yet. geoff: bobby carter, continued success in your new role. >> it is good to see you back here. yes, sir. ♪ amna: the words "cartier" and "bargain" are almost never said in the same breath. but the legendary french jeweler has been forced to extend an enormous discount to one man

after he claimed an error allowed him to buy two pairs of earrings for just $28 that were supposed to sell for nearly $28,000. ellie pitt of independent television news has more. ellie: designer jewelry doesn't come cheap. unless of course you find it online for much lower than it should be. that's what happened to rogelio villa-real who was browsing cartier's website when he spotted these diamond-encrusted earrings for 237 mexican pesos. that's around 11 british pounds. he bought two pairs -- who wouldn't? -- before the price was quickly corrected to 237,000 pesos, or just over 11,000 pounds. according to rogelio, cartier then tried to back out of the deal. but he asked mexico's consumer protection agency to get involved, and they ruled in his

favor. so, how did he do it? well, mexican consumer law requires businesses to sell their products at their listed price. if they don't, customers can file a complaint and send proof that they bought it at that price, but haven't received it. at this central london jewelers, they say there's no doubt he got a bargain. >> you are paying for that brand name, you know, when you walk in somewhere and leave with a cartier ring you're paying for prestige. i mean, he got very lucky. i'd like to see his lottery winnings as well. because i wish i had a chance like that. ellie: cartier haven't commented, but the earrings finally arrived at a discount of around 29,500 pounds. and rogelio was more than happy to show them off. geoff: talk about a discount.

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