and we'll see how big a rage or that is but the money keeps growing. it's for a good cause. those young people took this to heart. that was probably the picture or scene of the week. before we go take a look at this. a giant american flag unfurled over building george washington university. still there. a defaced statue of our country's first president jarred george washington draped in palestinian flag and keffiyeh scarf. both symbols of anti-protest at us colleges campuses. that's the story of friday may 4th, 2024. the story goes on. we will have former education secretary bill bennett on all these protests. meantime your world with neil cavuto starts now. have a good weekend. [ ♪♪ ] >> neil: some big doings in the big apple. donald trump from a courtroom to

go raise campaign cash in florida while police continued to crackdown on anti-israel encampments that seem to just keep popping up. welcome. i'm neil cavuto. happy to have you. let's go to the courthouse downtown new york where you find nate foy. former president already left the scene here. a very different kind of day with a very key witness today. >> reporter: that's right advisor hope hicks took the stand and wrapped up her testimony. the former president spoke leaving courtroom moments ago. criticizing the gag order as his lawyers announced plans to challenge order saying it is unconstitutional. but really important testimony from hicks today discussing mostly her time as trump's press secretary during the 2016 campaign and's she specifically said trump showed concern for his family when women came forward with stories alleging affairs that he denies which is

important because prosecutors argue trump was motivated by the election rather than his family. hicks said trump to the want his family to be embarrassed by anything related to the campaign and he wanted his family to be proud of him. hicks testified when a wall street journal article came out about the karen mcdougal story that trump requested newspapers not be delivered to his home because you worried about former first lady melania trump seeing the story. hicks testified about michael ko and injecting himself into campaign activities. she said cohen would often quote go rogue telling the court he used to like to call himself mr fix-it but it was only because he first broke it. before hicks 1 witness testified about the validity of data extracted from cohen's cell phone. there is a recording showing trump and cohen discussing the stormy daniels payment. trump closer untrue social today saying the recording is cut off just as he's beginning to say something that benefits is defence.

trump's lawyers question how those cell phones were collected and they pointed to several apps on cohen cell phone that can be used to hide messages or make messages more difficult to retrieve. court ended early today because of a juror's appointment. wearden for the weekend but the trial will resume monday morning at 9:30. we'll send it back to you. >> neil: any sense when michael cohen will eventually be testifying? >> no 1 has any clue and that's going to happen. he's going to be a star witness as prosecutors have not officially connected trump to the alleged conspiracy to win the 2016 election and cohen's the word will likely be crucial making that connection if they can. >> neil: thank you for that. just to put this in perspective what made interesting with hope hicks is finally we had a new prism on not only why donald trump was acting the way he was

at the time of these charges and supposed checks being written but what was really motivated it. a lot of people said it was as nate indicated a focus on the campaign and follow-up for the campaign how damaging that could be. this was the first time we heard from a close confidant of donald trump at the time who said he is much more concerned for his wife , make sure the newspapers weren't delivered he had said in order to hide these affair stories from melania. the back and forth on this is really in the eye of the beholder. but donald trump who addressed the media just a few minutes ago seemed to have a census was a pivotal day and that might be an understatement. on to explore that with kerri urbahn the fox news legal editor and danny mccarthy former assistant us attorney and fox news contributor. you're both great lawyers but i think the impact of having someone sympathetic to donald trump and conveying it through that everyone having worked with

him dating back to the access hollywood tape right before the debate with hillary clinton right through some of these other charges that have been brought up, reframes that. but i wonder whether it changes the needle. what do you think? >> it's unfortunate that the case comes down to the sensibilities of people about donald trump. i thought the most telling thing about hope hicks testimony as it was reported tech was that at the end she was asked whether she had anything to do with keeping of business records the trump organization from washington where she was 200 miles away and of course she said she hadn't, and that was telling because this is a criminal trial it's in going on for 2 weeks, the first time anybody mentioned with a criminal trial is supposed to be about which is the business records. and what's happening here as they are trial of federal campaign finance law which alvin

bragg has no authority to enforce in which this court frankly doesn't have any authority to enforce either. i don't know how they get through this trial without judge merchant instructing a jury about federal law that he has no authority over. it's just mind-boggling to me. >> was also mind-boggling his old roads, or the actions taken if you think about it to that access hollywood tape, and the ensuing follow. i know this with great interest a key element of that was the case that was building against donald trump that had it's origin there. many who have testified and said trump and his allies believe more stories involving women would hurt his campaign and they were particularly motivated to silence allegations and hence the checks to pay the women off but along comes hope hicks to reframe it a little bit different. what did you make of that?

>> i thought it was notable that she said that the stress of how it would impact melania was a big deal to the president. and that's important because it undercuts prosecution's case that the only reason donald trump paid off stormy daniels was to help his campaign. you have hope hicks testifying that was not the case, but, yes, he was interested in how the story would play out but he was wanting his family to be proud of him. he was embarrassed about the story. and it seems like he just wanted to go away which in and of itself is not illegal. >> so when you did hear that everyone was stunned, with the release of the access hollywood tape that sort of reframed all these other actions that were being taken so close to the election day and a key debate, that you get a framework for why they might have done what they did, but it seems to be like a 5 alarm fire. had he put that in context?

>> is a former commute occasions director for the department of justice during the trump years i certainly know what it's like when a bad story is coming your way and there are, you know, you have to do it you can to tempt those things down and it's very there were some 5 alarm fires and i was there as well. so certainly what she was describing was very normal for press secretary when dealing with something coming like this but again suppressing a bad story not illegal. entering into nda paying some buddy for the nda not illegal. catch and kill schemes not illegal. it is still unclear what the crime is and why we are here. >> neil: i'm also wondering whether a more synthetic portrayal of donald trump and whether people will believe or not believe these various concerns hope hicks has raised about his wife and his family, whether that changes anything in the eyes or may be years of

jurors taking all of this in. what do you think? >> it's pretty soon to tell and a lot of have to do the jury takes michael cohen. i think they will have an embarrassment of riches in terms of impeaching his testimony and his character but at a certain point 1 of the things you worry about is why did trump keep coming around for 10 or 12 years or whatever it was? soy thank we are not to the point you or we can make an assessment of how the former president will be fully judged but it shouldn't again come down to that. there's no pride here. >> also 1 thing i noticed is that michael cohen continues to be free to say what he wants to say. there's no gag order on him. you've mentioned this many times and i'm just wondering if that's the 1 thing that, you know, president trump has made clear that you're fine very unfair, ready to file a lawsuit right now against the constitutionality of these gag order's because they don't apply to all and particularly they

don't apply to michael cohen. so let's say he does get up on the stand michael cohen. how is the defence going to handle him? >> certainly will be interesting because thus far not 1 witnesses has set a positive thing about michael cohen. which is quite something whereas a number of witnesses had said good things about donald trump. so in michael cohen eventually takes a stand it will be after all of these negative things have been said about him. in addition to what we know which is that he lied in court and lied to congress. he lied to the media so if i'm the prosecution i'm not too excited about cohen taking a stand but then again they have to be because their case hinges upon his testimony. >> neil: do you expect donald trump himself to testify? >> he says he has and there are risks that come with you and will open the door for the prosecution to introduce things that offence may not want trump

to have to address but will see. it will be surprising to me if you didn't given his instincts to want to communicate about his case and say what he wants to say but i'm sure there's a lot of conversations happening about that even as we speak between him and his lawyers. >> if you're representing the former president would you want him up on that stand? >> no i would like to rely on the fact they have improved their case and leave it at that. but it's important to note that there's only a few decisions that have to get made in a trial that are completely the decision of the defendant. the lawyer can give as much advice as you can but ultimately whether to testify or not is not up to council. it is up to former president trump. >> understood. thank you. you both are pretty busy day. pretty busy week. in the meantime is he kind of horrific week when it comes to

protests across the country. most come down a little bit. we had over 2200 arrests though nationally with at least 49 campuses involved in these let's say heated protests. alexis mcadams outside new york university in new york city. alexis. >> it's pretty decent weather on the strata here in new york city see can expect the crowd behind me and nyu to continue to grow as they plan on moving this protest in a short time over to washington square park which is only a few blocks away. i want to take a live look for my other camera and what's happening right now at this protest at nyu. this is the same building where a lot of the protests have started here on the campus and the same area they just cleared up an encampment but the students say they are not deterred and will continue to pick it and continue the protests. so this morning nypd clearing out these 2 and countenance at colleges here in manhattan. starting nyu where the police moved in and took down the 1 camp in there around 6:00 this morning a little bit of a rough wake-up call.

and moving to the liberal arts college down the road called the new school protests pretty chaotic last night when we were there around 11:00 o'clock to midnight. nypd telling us both schools called them for help. watch. >> there's somebody behind this movement. there's organizations behind this movement. leaflets on how to commit safe civil disobedience. what to do when you get arrested. there's somebody radicalizing her students. this afternoon faculty members here at nyu were in this picket line that we were checking out just a short time ago telling us that the school needs to back off and let the students continue to protest and should not be disciplining students. >> you cannot call yourself a university if you arrest your faculty if you rest your students for peaceful protests. universities must be spaces of free exchange of ideas. of free speech, of protests. >> 1 of the main concerns out

here on the ground has been outside agitators. we are there from chief john shower and he checked in with you just the other day. that's still a concern is just last night at the new school liberal arts college there were lots of people who didn't go to the school and had really nothing to do with the movement. >> a quiet week for you alexis. thank you very much. alexis mcadams, she was everywhere through all of this. by the way more protests are expected to the weekend. pretty much across the country right now. we started with just a couple up to 49 right now if you include a couple of very short live campus dustups. really around 55. be that as it may rear come to be covering this tomorrow morning as well on my weekend show. our guests will include the former new york police commissioner and former la police chief bill bratton and whether these type of events are just going to keep popping up throughout the summer. many are looking at the summer 68 parallels here. don't know if that's true but will be looking into that and why some are saying maybe we have to take away taxpayer funds

to institutions that keep allowing this, and maybe if my next guest is right on the show taking away all the student loan forgiveness for the kids who are behind us. that's coming up. at the corner of all and broad we had a market soaring now. implement report kind of like goldilocks not too hot or strong not too week. 175,000 jobs added down from 243,000 estimate that was on the table and earnings and that kinda stuff that they there were a about the could be inflationary also a little less than thought and that had a lot of folks rethinking this idea the federal reserve will endlessly delay these rate cuts that they are still clamouring for a don't know if that's the case. we do know across the board the major market averages were up. apple was a strong performer after announcing or be buying back $110 billion worth of its own stock. all this noise and protests in the donald trump court case

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some of them got? >> i look at a place like the citadel a college campus where we don't burn american flags, we salute them. and my speech at commencement tomorrow is going to be themed around have encouraged, having discipline and having strength that runs through the veins of every citadel graduate that i know and it's about leadership because our country more than ever when you see this violence antifa committing violence or students committing violence on campuses our country needs real leaders and we have commencement and graduations across the country this weekend and the next couple of weeks. we want to inspire these young students. these young graduates to be the future leaders of america and stand up and be proud of their country and push back against terrorist sympathizers and anti-semitism. when you want to speak out do it in a peaceful way. that's the american way. >> neil: some took it away too far to your point. did you want to financially make

and pay for that? in other words-- >> i cannot hear anything. >> neil: you can hear me anymore? >> i can hear you know. >> neil: i apologize. so how far do you want to go against some colleges were this is happening that you would deny federal funds? you would take away student loans that were forgiven from some. tell me about how you would respond. >> i look at a school like records. fiscal year 23-24 they received 1 point when taxpayer dollars. this kind of thing is going on college campuses, their taxpayer funding should be pulled. if you are student committing violent acts in a college campus you should not have your college tuition loans repaid by the federal government or federal taxpayers. if you are here and student visa committing acts of violence on college campuses you should be deported and sent to your home country. you should not be allowed to stay here. let's start there. >> neil: you mentioned directors.

it's among institutions like brown and a couple others that have come up with a novel solution to keep the protest at bay saying they would throw out the idea of vote. >> i just lost you again for a second. >> neil: that's okay. navy elephants the statement and they bill you will miraculously here. there's a push on some institutions to negotiate with the protesters and go ahead and put up for vote any measure that would call for divesting of funds or investment in israel. what you think for the? >> they want disclosure and divestment. i want firings and people to be expelled. i want those who are here illegally or here on student visa participating in these things deported. it's a very different scenario. these were peaceful protests these are about the first amendment at think it will be something very different but it's not. you have groups funded by george soros. palestinian rights groups are involved funded by george soros and they need to be off our

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>> a lot of people asked me when it comes to wall street are they in their own little world, own little cocoon? do they see all these college protests character they see these other worries and a former president on trial right now? i would say they do see the mall but they are much more interested in making money and ac right now and economy that produced more jobs in the latest month but didn't do so at such a wolf worrisome level that they had to worry about inflation so these guys are focused like a laser beam on the green and not so much whether something is benefiting the red or the blue. johnson 1 of the best i know at this and configure these guys out is with us right now. was good to have you. wall street does seem to be stepping back from all this and then we get a jobs report that seems to reinforce the notion. we don't have anything to worry about. job growth is certainly slowing but wage growth was slowing a little better for those worried about the federal reserve hiking rates anytime soon, maybe even significantly delaying those rate cuts everyone wants, that

all changed today a little bit. >> it did. we've been waiting for a long time as you sort of implied that the economy should slow in response to the increases in interest rates that we very seen from the federal reserve and we haven't seen much of a slow down certainly in employment numbers but we certainly did today and we started at least to see a little bit of a slowdown. the federal reserve had felt looking at the economic numbers particularly employment numbers that they didn't need to be in a hurry to cut interest rates. advocates still the case they don't have to be tweet too much in a hurry to cut interest rates but they have to think a little bit harder about it. the economy if it is in the presses is slowing and i think you'll see that things like retail sales for the month of april. so the point is, yeah, they have time but they don't have as much time today as they might have had a week ago. at least that's my assessment.

>> neil: we always hear the federal reserve is very weary of doing anything in the middle of presidential election but i'm old enough to remember them quite often running and moving in an election year. what do you think happens this 1 >> that's really good question. paul continues to insist the federal reserve is focused obviously on inflation, 2% target. you and i both here but that on this every day that he's focused on both the rate of inflation in the economy and that he's not going to be persuaded or dissuaded by anything that's happening outside of the or politically. i think that's probably the case. that certainly the case with other members of the federal open market committee but you just never know the extent to which the political process is going to start to impact in ways we probably are not able to measure the decisions they make. i really do think they are going

to be focused primarily, at least the wall street is going to be watching them very carefully, focused primarily in the month-to-month changes in the rate of inflation year-over-year, rate of inflation and of course the economic numbers to include things like employment numbers in the retail sales numbers we have been talking about. i think they're going to play this right but again you just don't know for sure. >> neil: it's all about the consumer what he or she is doing and of always argued my wife cannot single-handedly keep this economy going with her spending. we need a lot of people doing that in unison. i am wondering my joke aside what you make of the consumer right now. obviously they are buying. maybe not as much but that's going to be crucial here. >> it's on to be very crucial and crucial through 2023. it will be crucial through 2024. let me mention very quickly

something not many people are thinking about focusing on. you and i probably have been watching the money supply for years after years and worried of the money supply when it slows to the extent we have seen recently and asked ourselves the question kara clark, if the money supply is slowing so much how does consumer spending stay so strong. the answer to that as my former professor used to tell me johnson, it's velocity and it's not just the level of money. is a turnover velocity which has been very strong or very high and has given us a strong consumer spending numbers, and as long as we still have some concerns and worries about inflation, you will see the turnover or velocity of money stay reasonably good or recently strong and as a result consumer spending will stay strong. as a result will still get good not great but could not only consumer spending but economic numbers. i think that's the way this will play out. but he really got to watch the money supply and you've really got watch the turnover.

is technical but that i think is answer. >> neil: you hit the nail on the head. what i heard you talking about how quickly you could run from store to store and keep buying. but great seeing you again. be well. nice catching up with you. a lot of people are looking at the pickup and prices we've been seeing check all the college protest of going on in saying boy, oh, boy this is 1968 all over again. down toward the the democrats are having their convention in chicago. they draw these parallels but other parallels warranted? after this. >> get back!imag get back! but instead remade over and over... into the things that keep our food fresher, our families safer, and our planet cleaner. to help us get there, america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars to create innovative products and new recycling technologies for sustainable change.

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be a bit too much to some who have said that an effort to maybe secure some votes in michigan he could be losing some votes pretty much everywhere else among core democratic constituents. we have the hill editor-in-chief. what do you make of that? a lot of people welcomed his comments can call of that stating the obvious. you want to get 20 violent and your right to speak out. you cannot get 20 crazy doing so it was like a big da so i how that helps the case or eases this fear. >> neil wasn't quite a sister soldier moment like bill clinton had and basically wrote that to the white house that was you basically have to call out the extremes even if it's within your own party. certainly protesting is fine but violence is not. listen the big story this week that president trump in court and we have protests. well i think the trump court thing is going to end relatively

soon and that will be last court appearance. and then these campus protests could be back in the fall so that is the big story of the fall. >> i'm wondering whether we have a summer like we did in 1968. of course of a different times. vietnam war very different, assassination of martin luther king and later bob kennedy. very different environment. but 1 common parallel is the democrats have chosen chicago to meet again. what do you think? >> democrats we talk to them all the time they're getting more and more nervous that that's going to be the theme and the story coming out because the protesters no they are trying to basically disrupt hearings. we had an event and they disrupted our event so they are going to be out in full force in chicago and it's going to be a major problem for democrats. really could hurt president biden in any balance he wanted to get after chicago. >> i'm just wondering memory serves me well enough i was a kid at the time the 1960 a remember richard nixon looking at all the violence and disturbances around the country and trying to become the law and

order which he was. a lot of things went his way but that backdrop helped grease the skids for his victory that fall. i'm just wondering how this law and order thing plays out now. because it is a concern of a lot of americans watching this who not too kenough what they are seeing on their tvs. >> they are not keen on this. the voters who supported president biden, the independent voters he's on the season's lost and has got to regain connect rfk junior has a lot of independent support now. they want to see their president call us out and call it out repeatedly so i think there being onus on president to do just that. honestly that could be the key to victory here. >> neil: various pulls out can't 1 of the posts today that show back to donald trump child that if he's convicted on the

charges it could be a game changer. he could lose some support but what's interesting and quite convoluted but what's interesting is joe biden did not gain. i just wonder inmate of that. >> i think it will be interesting because even though a lot of people as you know were not thrilled with the 2 choices they have. when we are waiting for this verdict come in, i think that some people are going to be interested in this. that could be a game changer or may not be because it is new york and a lot of people to think you can get a fair trial in new york. certainly it really hasn't hurt him. he's winning in the polls. it certainly is hampering his fundraising and he's got to make up some ground but i'm not so sure is going to be the game changer democrats hope it's going to be. >> neil: thank you very much. good catching up with you my friend. we know that protests are planned this weekend. we do know they are a little less heated than they were. that could change with any decision out of benjamin

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>> neil: want to take you to the white house for the president is putting a big to do medal of freedom to several key players. peter do see as there. >> anne president biden is going to award the medal of freedom to congressman james clyburn the man who is credited with saving his 2020 presidential campaign. even though just a few hours ago he agreed with bernie sanders when bernie sanders said the gaza policy means this may be joe biden's vietnam. clyburn given interviewer he said this is a quote, it's a good argument. i never argue with history. a little while ago white house officials were asked about that and they are bristling at the comparison. >> joe biden ended the longest war in american history and just succeeded in convincing both parties in congress to make crucial investments international security in ukraine to help ensure we won't be drawn into conflict in europe. and that is the president's leadership you have seen.

>> we are also getting a little more insight into why president biden was condemning islamophobia in the same breath he was condemning anti-semitism, even though we've not really been seeing the same amounts of each on campuses in recent demonstrations. >> we've been seeing a lot of file anti-semitic rhetoric on campuses. does he think islamophobia is just as big of a problem on campus has anti-semitism? the president is always going to call it awful forms of hate always. >> neil: the only thing on president biden's schedule. you have al gore and john kerry and they all get the medal as well. and immediately from biden plans to jet off to delaware for the weekend. >> neil: peter doody at the white house. we're getting reports of another large crowd that could be gathering at nyu. we are told there's a large

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>> that's right, neil, we are on the campus of george washington university. you can see come after nine days of encampment here, what they have done to the statue of george washington, our first president. there is now a library here in the encampment, where people can come and check out books. we also have, in the last hour, neil, this american flag, this large american flag behind me was unfurled. we are not sure who was behind that. we don't think it was the university president, according to some of the students, did draw the ire of some of the protesters here. that just happened in the last hour, of course, yesterday was a bit noisier here in the camp, when republican lawmakers came here to show their solidarity with the jewish students. but so far today, mostly peaceful, neil. this encampment here, there are a lot of tents, a lot of students spending the night, we just want to keep students, a professor, nearby american

university, brought her class here to overnight, and they spent the night, and now we have some speakers here. we had the call to prayer earlier today followed by ice cream social. but right now, things of calm down but a different story yesterday, neil. that flag pole that's a bit naked right now, the american flag was taken off that flagpole. a palestinian flag was closed up. then when the american flag was going to be put back on the pole, all of the students rallied behind us got very noisy here, a bit chaotic, and then today, just an hour ago, this large american flag was unfurled here on campus. again, we are not quite sure who is behind that. some people think it had to be the faculty or the staff here because the students would not have access to the roof of that building. right now, we are seeing students and what many say are a lot of outsiders and trespassers. we spoke to some jewish students

earlier, one law school student who was forced to take her exams in the basement here after paying $100,000 in tuition for a law degree. the final exams in the basement of the law school here. the undergraduates start their exams tomorrow, that is why it is a little quieter here, neil. but right now, things do appear to be calm. it is a far different scene, of course, then we saw earlier this week in ucla and columbia. >> neil: amazing. lucas, thank you so much. lucas tomlinson in d.c. i want to go -- a way with wo words. douglas, i do want to get into some other things. this issue of this campus violence. i was reminded what richard nixon, who was the republican nominee in 1968, was saying about a similar backdrop. this is from richard nixon back then. >> it is time for an honest look at the problem of order in the united states. dissent is a necessary ingredient of change. but in a system of government

that provides for peaceful change, there is no cause that justifies resort to violence. >> neil: you know, we are going to be probably hearing a lot of parallels to then and now. what do you think about all of it? >> well, i think nixon really ran on that law and order plan he had worked for. he ran on it again in 1972 and procured the largest presidential election victory in u.s. history up until that time. things were unraveling come unglued in 1968 and beyond during the nixon years. we have been making similarities with columbia university, take over the other day, but a very odd fact in a way the democrats are meeting in chicago this august, which was a symbol of the battle of michigan avenue, where police rioters and antiwar people clashed, so it is bringing a lot of nixon, 1968 bells this year. >> neil: do you think this is a year where key constituent

groups show their frustration with the party in power? may be both parties? but there is anger here. it's palpable. and it could build. >> very much so. this idea of law and order incidentally, neil, look how bill clinton ran in 1992 as a democrat. he said i am a new democrat, i am for law and order, and his big demand was a lot more police in the united states. one of the dangers the democratic party has is when they are ripping down statues or you are showing george washington being marred, his statue at george w, that doesn't play well for the majority of americans. and so, the visuals that are building up right now are a burden for joe biden, and he is having to thread a needle while somebody like a third-party candidate, cornel west, can be all in for palestine and trump can be all in for israel, but biden has to kind of carve a

very tricky path for himself. >> neil: yeah, i always wonder to what end? because if you think about the president is trying to do, talk of threading a needle, but do not necessarily take off palestinian american voters in michigan, he risks losing many d about the ones who might be protesting that he is forgetting about the ones who are watching and not liking what they are seeing on tv with this protest. >> i think that's correct. you know, michigan is so all important because of henry ford, dearborn became really the leading hub of arab and palestinian sentiment in the united states, and they vote, and it is organized, and they are not happy with biden right now, so biden is trying to lure some of them back. trump come on the other hand, called for -- recklessly called for a muslim man during his presidency. and then you see him now 100% on the israeli side. so it leaves biden again with

the kind of burden where he is going to have to get some of these young people carrying palestinian flags, biden would like them to vote for him, how do you get them there? that's a big question in 2024. >> neil: mentioned donald trump and i'm wondering, he is leading in a lot of polls, not all of them but a lot of them, with all of the court cases and everything else, and i'm just wondering, there has been a separate poll outcome of "the new york post," that if he were to be convicted on any of these charges, could bj know my game changer for some, could hus numbers, but ironically not to e advantage of joe biden. what do you think? >> you know, it's hard to tell what trump's legal woes at up to. i never think it is good to be in the position he is in, having to sit in new york day after day. who in the world would like that? but on the polls, i don't see it denting him in a significant way yet. it is ironic that he is going to

be leaving his campaign as the law and order candidate when he has been spending, since the white house, being charged with felony after felony. but what people think of law and order, they are talking about, they want to be safe in their park, their universities, schools, hospitals, and trump's, i believe, going to make that the primary bit of his reelection campaign, along with the border, with mexico, and they intersect, in some ways. >> neil: they do indeed. i could talk to you for an hour, douglas, but always good to see you. thank you very much. >> thanks, neil. doug brinkley on all of that. we are going to be explain the ramifications then and now, how the markets are faring all of this. of course, the campus protests that are expected to resume tomorrow, hopefully not as bad. that's this weekend, 10:00 a.m. eastern time. see you then. ♪ ♪ >> judge jeanine: hello, everyone. i'm judge jeanine pirro, along wi