surzbyrno is represented by the stronger action of the american representative in brussels at the us mission in brussels, who said that we do not have an undecided position, we are still defining ourselves, because we must not forget that during the war, ukrainians went not only to countries of the european union, and more than 200 thousand. in canada there are more than 200 00 in america, there are also tens of tens of thousands of ukrainian citizens, by the way, no one talks about this, how to deal with them, by the way, why are ukrainians in poland or lithuania in a more losing situation than ukrainians in canada , citizens of ukraine or in america, of which there are also a large number, in relation to the czech republic, there was no reaction, but it must be said that all these countries, although they talk about the fact that we will send them there, we will give information there, before estonia also talked about that we can hand over information. pro-ukrainian citizens there, but

it must be admitted that all these countries, including the czech republic, are very interested in working ukrainian hands, some sectors of the czech economy are hard to imagine without ukrainian workers, i am talking, for example, about the construction sector, about the construction industry, or about the transport sector, well, women are more in the service sector, for example, there, but men - it's construction, it's transport, there are those in this industrial production, cars. but the ukrainians are very heavily involved, so these governments, including the czech one, and other governments will look at whether it is beneficial for their economies, and the ukrainians are already earning, paying taxes, that is, even these booming economies, but ukrainians are already earning, paying taxes, that is, even these governments of the countries where ukrainian citizens are, are spending their financial support is less than these ukrainians who work, pay taxes ... benefits the economy of these countries

of central and eastern europe, you know, in conclusion, in confirmation of your words, here in prague, in the central part of the city , there are these christmas and new year fairs, there you can generally communicate with everyone in ukrainian, without even switching to english, in fact, in every second place where sweets are sold, there are ukrainian women and ukrainians working there, and ukrainian music is playing, mr. yustin boyko, here we... talked a lot about the legal part, and really came to the conclusion that there are a lot of legal gaps, but we have this moral and ethical aspect, which actually, i think, is very difficult for us, because really the ukrainians who are in ukraine are even more beginning to speak negatively, i am very diplomatically trying to formulate my question, to react negatively to those ukrainians who are abroad. further

we also cannot let go of those aspects and forget about them that there are those who have escaped indeed, there are those who live there and help ukraine, and for them it is also probably difficult to hear how they are treated and what is said about them inside ukraine, but you cannot say anything to those who live in ukraine under bombs , rockets, under constant alarms, in constant stress, when they see that someone wants to stay in... a ukrainian, i now reject absolutely all legal points, but at the same time he is sitting in other countries, what to do in this situation? i think it is important to hear it from you, we are already on espresso, yes we are already for espresso, welcome everyone, you know, there are three virtues, they are very important in human life, which cannot be bought at the bazaar, nor can they be acquired in any other way, these are love, faith and hope. and they cannot be bought, acquired,

or forced to practice them, that is , they are innate virtues given by god, as well as love for ukraine, love for one's people, etc., and in each person, it is reflected differently, so just like the love of god, sometimes when we talk about the church, we talk about a ship, compare it, a ship has a bow that breaks waves, further... goes the one that pulls, goes further, let’s say, the stubble and the one, that is, the engine that moves it, the same way in the people, that is , you can’t compare everyone, when i heard this decision of her government, but then i read it, i did not believe that such a thing is possible, why? because i asked myself a practical question, i, as a person who has spent almost my entire life

in the service of migration for ukrainians, is almost 20 years old, and italy and spain for more than 15 years. what practical thing will come out of this? resolutions cabin zero, no one, like here said, will not bring people back, then i have a question: why is a decree issued, which has no basis? there are two explanations: i called my friend, a diplomat whom i have known since the days of the roman storytellers, and i said: listen, don’t they have good advisers and analysts in the cabinet of ministers who would... explain the situation abroad to them, i say , i can't believe it, and that man, who, by the way, works for the ministry of foreign affairs, tells me this, listen, you are overestimating the analytical methods of our foreign ministers, and i was honestly

amazed, and if it is so, then it is either so stupid resolution, i will say it frankly, he called it differently, because it was before he worked. the mfa worked as a doctor, he says: it reminds me of an operation on the glands because of the place we are sitting. that is, you understand, it is not, no, it is not. second, this decision of the cabinet, which is the worst from a moral point of view, it divided ukrainians. ugh. that is, the government, seeing that ukraine already has tense relations. between those who are fighting, who have lost their relatives, who are worried about their relatives who are at war. and those in the body added even more, let's say, fuel to that fire and stirred up this fire, and i have a question, why is this being done? i agree here with mr. portnikov, because i have listened to him more than once, that it is plausible that

this action is called to divert our attention from something more serious, which could be more serious, i am not a politician here, but... in i have only one guess: probably behind-the-scenes negotiations regarding the further fate of ukraine, because some kind of, say, a peace conference is being planned in, say, europe. now let's go further. let's look at this position from the side ukrainians from ukraine who live here. are there any claims of ukrainians from ukraine to those abroad? yes why because if we all aspire to have a single independent ukraine, we must protect it only each of us at different levels, but the state must organize this process accordingly. now, when we talk about the state, we mean specific leaders, how did specific

leaders prepare the state for war? i'll explain, i'll remind you, you and i will have a barbecue, that's how it was, that's how it was, that is, we used to grill barbecues at a time when... foreign intelligence warned that there would be an offensive, of course, that it is a shame to remember, but you have to remember, so as not to be, you know, someone who does not want to look at the lessons of the past, because the past serves to draw lessons, now it is in the past, okay , now there is a mobilization process that needs to be organized, well , it is organized in some other ways, if the government wanted to organize it... the mobilization process abroad had to be consulted with the congress of ukrainian nationalists, secondly, the ukrainian world congress, public organizations, and there is another way to go, i would like to say here that many ukrainians abroad, both from europe and america, canada and brazil, returned from africa,

returned to ukraine from their earnings, because they heard that there was a war here, and they gave their lives for ukraine , and their names are also inscribed in the ranks of the heroes who laid. life is for ukraine, that is, you can't all be under one roof. now, when it comes to those who are abroad, it was rightly said here that some people left in the 90s, 2000s, and the cabinet order put everyone in the same position, that infuriated people, it infuriated people, i recently returned from rome, a business trip, i want to tell you something, i spoke with diplomats, let's say churchmen there, and they say, and then you tell us why we shout to the whole world, let's say , let's have peace talks, because ukraine is on the brink. abroad, this call is perceived as the last cry for salvation. once ukraine

attracts its mobilization resource abroad, its human resource. now, when it comes to the language of ukrainians abroad, they helped and are helping, but here we need them... to speak the language of trust, here i would like to take this opportunity to address them that dear boys, dear men, we will not live on this earth forever... and every life has meaning, because life without meaning is not life, and it is obvious , the one who dedicated his life to some goals, especially to service, is the highest hero, and therefore in front of his descendants, he will have to somehow justify himself to explain what he did at the time when ukraine was fighting for independence. i am convinced, i have no doubts, that muscovy will fall, we will win this war by a miracle

god's, and not by some other political directives, directives, but we need to join this process. and here, every ukrainian from abroad should think about how he can get involved, someone by coming to ukraine to fight, someone by helping ukraine abroad, when it comes to these consular records, so what. i recently spoke with the consuls of several european countries, they say, we would be very happy to announce that certain consular accounts will be tentatively from 300 € and more, due to the fact that there is a war going on in ukraine, and many people, believe me , agreed to pay it officially, because they have fear, listen, fear is not a sin, it is a human thing, yes, but you have to fight that fear with something, motivation, what kills motivation? first, corruption in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, corruption in the government, and next, i have

a question about the strategy of victory, where is it, that is , here it is necessary to present it to the people, and when people know some direction where we are moving, then they will move, and yes , it seems to me that this government resolution is a very dangerous circle of discord among ukrainians, therefore, i am taking this opportunity, honor... in the studio, i am asking our ukrainian brothers and sisters, both in ukraine and abroad, please do not pay attention, because unity is our strength, governments pass away, but the people continue, we asked our viewers who are currently watching us on youtube, restrictions on consular services abroad, how they feel about it, and there are two options, everything is correct, the decision is bad, already more than 600 people have voted, here is this screenshot. well, almost 70% that the decision is bad, 33 on 67, it is interesting, then we will see which of which

countries voted, panera, i have a question for you, well, we see, we agree somewhere, well , maybe now you will say a different opinion, that the ukrainian government, maybe not the ukrainian government in general, but only its diplomatic, diplomatic eavesdropping hastened with this, with this proposal, with this decision, may not have been worth it. to adopt it so radically, your position and how to get out of this situation, of course i don’t know the insiders, i can only assume, but the decision of the ministry of foreign affairs, it is kind of ill-considered and very spontaneous, that is, i am not sure that it is so, that is, it it's scandalous, even i would say, and what we obviously don't know today is half an hour... are we already devoting an hour of airtime to this and will obviously devote the following days to it, maybe

it will end with it simply being canceled after some time, it is not known having achieved the goal that it supposedly declared, well, i won't argue, because i agree with my colleagues, obviously, when you produce a decision, you have to consider, based on some information, expectations, tasks, what the achieved result will be, well, it was known. er, unsuccessfully, and in the end, i would a little expanded even, so as not to repeat what my colleagues said, i would even expand the perspective a little, not to consider this problem purely from a mobilization point of view, but from the point of view of how the state sees these 5 million ukrainians who are abroad from the point of view of further interaction with them, perhaps even from the point of view of some delayed in... the distant future results from this interaction, because if we

simply consider these relations, the state and the citizen who is abroad from the point of view of the domination of subordination, well, they will be known lead to alienation, and besides, there are no illusions that these people will return, well, that is , the maximum that is predicted there is 20%. this is in the best case, but the more ill-conceived decisions like this are, the potential percentage of those who will potentially return, well, of course, will decrease, therefore... one must understand what goal the state sets for itself, if with such a decision the state set itself the task of returning them to ukraine, well, this is not a solution that will achieve the set goal, but if we set ourselves the task of looking for some, at least some intermediate solution, because i'm not sure that there is any good solution here, i'm sure that there

is definitely no good solution here, because most of these people made this choice by going abroad. who wanted to return, they also returned, they do not need directives from the government, ministries, that is, no directive will force people who do not want to do this to return, if the state understands that it can offer some other forms of interaction, when these citizens can bring benefit of the state, then it is necessary to think about this decision, is it a form of payment of a certain additional tax, let's call it that, or not? this is the provision of paid consular services, yes, which are mandatory, but can they be on a paid basis, why, why can't this be an option, it is a form of, let's call it, a property tax, when you pay the state, well no you must do it voluntarily, because whoever wants to do it voluntarily, he again does it voluntarily without the instructions of the state, that's how mr. taras talked about the

salary tax, well, again, the state does not will be able to implement it from the point of view. simply, can it be helped by the countries in which these citizens are located? well, potentially, it is possible, but it is the same as a consular post, a paid consular post, but we are talking about liberal democratic countries, they usually do not work with such approaches, if it were belarus, relatively speaking, then the state of ukraine could potentially count on similar means of fishing. they do not work in liberal democratic countries. these mechanisms, because there is this principle of freedom, it is, as it were, a priority, and it determines the decisions made by the state, so to summarize, i am sure that the decision we are talking about will be forgotten at some point, and the problem will remain, because even if this decision

is canceled at some point, the problem is against mobilization ukrainians of conscription age abroad will remain, the problem of their registration will remain, the problem of their interaction with the state will remain, and many other problems will remain, so it is obvious that if these decisions are made, one must proceed from some logic of how the state sees these citizens in future and their interaction with them in the future, mr. mikhalchyshyn, i have a question for you, we understand that your expertise in international issues is of interest to us now, we... but we say that we need to become the center of world politics, become one of the centers of the world politicians, to be on the front pages of the european media in the united states, to be important to them so that they do not forget about us, but for this we have to produce positive reasons this week finally received this help, and at the same time these

negative reasons to talk about ukrainians, in including in connection with these queues in poland, do you think it is possible? let's put it this way, to influence this international support, because well, it is possible, you know, and even more so , i am sure that the russian ipso will work, you are helping them, and they fled from their country and look, and they want to break away from it and that's it, well, you see, there is a minus, it was already obvious, the minus was already obvious in the fact that 600,000 young people decided to leave ukraine by any means, legal, illegal, corrupt. a fact is a fact, we should not from to avoid this and that, it happened, there are such people in our country, and we must understand that, but on the other hand, it has been known for a long time that any right decision, even when it is made late, is wrong, it leads to wrong results, absolutely, the whole point is that we have a state, from my experience of my many spouses

in contact with different states at their level, i see that we have... a much softer state, much treats people more gently, there is a softer bureaucracy, there are their own, their own elements, they say that we will not say corruption, but such a more resolved , soft, solution of already individual problems, that is what it is, and that is why the state could not, somehow, cannot, cannot make correct and quick decisions so that these decisions work , as well as, well, in some ways, the fact that we were late with defense. we were talking about kebabs, everyone knew about kebabs, we were late, of course, we were late and lost territory because of that, and those are our internal problems, of course, and we must... understand that we must internally make decisions that would to react immediately, who could even predict this development of events, well, who was punished for those 600,000, someone will be written in some will be written

on the internet, someone was caught there, the system somehow works so cunningly, who was punished in reality, no one, so and so there is softness and perhaps even some inability of the state to make tough decisions in time of war, in time of war in general there should be... a state defense committee, which should clearly take upon itself, take upon itself all power and dictate its conditions and dictate move, move preparation for war and the whole struggle in general, where we have this, we have a little discord, that is our strength, perhaps the anarchy of the ukrainian people, but that is what it is, in some situations it is good, in some situations it is is not good, then it is very, very difficult to say, as the father rightly said. i think that we will rely on god, so that god will make decisions and on ourselves, we should not make ill-considered decisions, we must think, but we must

think even earlier, thinking late is harmful, we add yevhen dyky, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, ex -commander companies of the aydar battalion, mr. dykiy, we welcome you to our studio, we will talk with you , including about the help of the united states, we will translate such a bridge, but still let us know your opinion. to hear about this, well, almost everyone in our studio, and everyone agreed that this decision and resolution of the ministry of foreign affairs was not well thought out, and it actually, well, it globally harms ukraine, which and ukrainians, who are very quickly ready between themselves to dissolve, although moral questions to those people who were waiting in line in poland and other consulates of susi. and not only neighboring countries, there are also many, your position, the case when i will defend the position of our ministry of foreign affairs, although i agree with the fact that something was done,

let's say, somewhat chaotically, it was done, as, unfortunately, always happens in our country reactively, not proactively, yes, but the very essence, well, very simple, the very essence of this message, which, perhaps, yes, let's say, is a little naive, but is sent by our ministry of foreign affairs. well, actually, to our citizens, our fellow citizens with you abroad, we just reminded the things that should have been explained in the first grade of secondary school school, that rights and duties are absolutely inseparable from each other, what if you are a citizen of the country, if you use all the rights that belong to you, if you use all the services of this state, whatever they may be there were, well, actually, what we did, that's how they work, but we... we use it, then certain constitutional duties of a citizen automatically follow from this, and vice versa, there are also duties and rights, and this is the basis social contract, this is

the basis of the constitutional order, and unfortunately, yes it happened that millions of ukrainians, both those abroad and those here, millions of ukrainians for some reason believed that this was not the case, for some reason believed that it was possible to have all rights, protect all rights, and use all services state, but... so not to be obligated to anything, not to have any obligations, well , our ministry of foreign affairs, how it managed to remind ukrainians abroad about this, well , really basic, elementary thing, about that rights without responsibilities simply do not exist, and what is actually a reminder of what we should have to know from childhood that this reminder caused such a violent reaction, it just once again shows how much everything is actually run in the heads of many ukrainians. by the way, let me remind you that, actually, what is required of them, and all that is required of them is to register for the military, that is, to do

what they should have done many years ago, they should have been on this military list all these years accounting, and when they are now reminded to be kind, well, at least now do what you were supposed to do by law many years ago and never did. they didn’t do it even when the great war started, but you didn’t do it, please do it now, well, or don’t apply for services from the state, and for some reason it causes outrage, well, it seems to me that this is a certain, let’s say, order in general, the relationship between the state and citizens, it is actually going like this, yes, a little chaotic, a little, let's say, chaotic, but the general restoration of the foundations of the social contract. of the constitutional order, who is not satisfied with such an agreement, well, i don't know of a single case where someone was forcibly detained as a citizen,

at least i don't know of any case. that a person renounced ukrainian citizenship, but was not allowed to do so. well, who is not satisfied with being a citizen, with everything that follows from it, with rights and responsibilities. well, please, we, we will not hold anyone by force, we made a passport, wrote a statement and goodbye. another thing is that it is uncomfortable, because the nobility that we are talking about now, and it went there and now lives there, actually because they are ukrainians. they left on a visa-free visa, which, i’m sorry, is impersonal to the wild petrenko there, to sidorenko there, and this is a visa-free visa obtained by the state of ukraine, precisely for its citizens, they left as refugees precisely because the country of ukraine was attacked and received the appropriate asylum status, well please , if they don't want to be citizens with everything that follows from that, precisely in the set of rights and obligations, let them leave their citizenship and check for themselves how different european countries

will treat... stateless persons, without without without this uncomfortable and inconvenient status for them, i don't see it as a problem for us, but let them decide for themselves, actually, which problem is more important for them. there are reflections in the studio, pavlyuk, then yustin, mr. yevgeny, vasyl pavlyuk, my last name, you are correct, i agree with you 50%, the only thing that you say is that on the basis of everything, well, voluntarily, as it was on the beginning of the war, there were queues, people went voluntarily to the front and this... it's normal, it's right, people understood that they had to defend their home, you say it all well, i i appeal to the state, because not everyone is such a volunteer and not everyone understands that it is necessary to really go to the front and defend the state, the state, in order to explain to its citizens that you are citizens of this state and must stand up for protection, must to organize everything, to this day, two years already the third year and not organized before the war.

they started to do something now, thank god that they started, but again the same thing starts again, and we will somehow do something there chaotically, then we will do everything and everything will be in order, the cabinet must work clearly, you turn attention, today even the state regional military administrations are not endowed with certain powers, they have to perform a completely different job, where they would really strengthen the rear and also help mobilize, believe me, listen, you are right on the one hand, you on... . talk to the people in the rear, listen to what people say, not all of them are, let's say, enemies of everything, there are, we all want victory, we want to end wars, we will defend our homes, but the state must give mail, help organize it all correctly, that 's where the problem is, let's yustin boyko, and then mr. dykiy will answer, huh, mr. yevhan, i have a question for you, look, we always say such a winged poetic phrase

of our world to the whole world. the ukrainian history of the last century and the present is very fragmented, and we have five waves of ukrainians who left ukraine, starting from 1898 until now, they already have passports of other countries, even those who left in 91 but they feel ukrainian, and they they also make a very big contribution to... the establishment of ukraine as a state and the ukrainian people. i have the following question for you: how do you generally see the role of world ukrainianism in ukraine's victory, because judging by your words, let's say you don't see it, because i do, i apologize if, perhaps, i misunderstood you understood, then you see the participation directly,

that is, they should, those who already... even have another citizenship, not to touch this matter or return it, that is, you understand that there are millions of ukrainians in the world who already have other passports, but they do not stop helping ukraine, and they are a huge rear, a huge weapon for the victory of ukraine. listen, what's the point of this at all, what do you conflate the sinful with the righteous, what are you doing, what is the point of ethnic ukrainians who are foreign citizens... this does not concern them in any way at all, and do not conflate it here, those ukrainians who have passports of other countries, they have their obligations as citizens towards those countries, in fact, citizens of which they are, for example, ethnic ukrainians, citizens of canada they fought in both world wars as canadian citizens, in the canadian army, and the fact that they were of ukrainian descent.