glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. atakams is already in ukraine. the americans have confirmed that the armed forces are already using their long-range missiles. will the germans dare to provide taurus? insidious plans. russia has started stockpiling weapons, whether pistorius's predictions about an attack on nato countries will come true in a few years. consular batik: conscripted men will not be able to get a passport abroad, will these restrictions help increase mobilization? we will talk about this and other things for the next hour with valery, a politician, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine. chalym

however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of how ukrainian fighters repelled another russian assault. defenders used drones and wild hornets to attack enemy equipment. in particular, an infantry fighting vehicle was hit turned into a fiery flu. let's see how it was.

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the corresponding numbers if you think putin would dare to attack nato countries (0800-211-381), no (0800-211-382). all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i want to introduce today's guest, he is a diplomat politician, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine. valery chaley, head of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center. sir valery, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start our conversation, mr. valery, with today's resolution of the european parliament. meps adopted a document calling putin an illegitimate president and calling on the international community not to recognize the results of the elections in the russian federation, since they were not held. neither free nor

honest. in addition, the european parliament calls for the introduction of sanctions against those involved in holding the so-called temporary elections occupied territories of ukraine, eu countries are recommended to limit all ties with the authorities of the russian federation. given that the european parliament resolution is a recommendation, what does this mean for the world and who can benefit from this recommendation and... how important is today's european parliament decision? well, i still want to break it into two parts, the first is about what you said about the russian leader, here it obviously adds such additional political levers for his isolation, because let me remind you, in general, the criminal case is open the case is in an international court, and the only thing that this will not affect is obviously its perception in itself.

in a police authoritarian country, but really in the space of the european union, where the european council, the european commission operates, that is, it will have an impact, and it must be... there will be some kind of reaction, although, as far as i understand, there is such a moment, that from the point of view of the negotiations there and the recognition of the amount of compensation for ukraine and all other things, humanitarian issues, well humanitarian is now meant, primarily exchange captives, the return of our children stolen by russia, then these, as i understand it, will leave... in their resolution the possibility of contact, but this is already important, although the second part will be the most effective, and the second part, which concerns the actual violation, not only international law, but even the rules

of war. there are protocols that regulate this issue, that the occupying authorities have no right to force people to vote for others. ukraine, this is another criminal offense, this crime on ukrainian territory will have consequences even when the issues are being considered now russian crimes on the territory of ukraine. in any case, this is the next step to really isolate a certain one, which is very necessary for further coordinated steps by all countries. isolations of the putin regime. another big decision this week is giving. to the country of $61 billion in aid from the united states of america, the congress and then the senate of the united states of america, and as a result , president biden signed this law. can this decision be considered a marker for other countries,

and those who are going to give us help, and of course for russia, which no one is going to leave alone. ukraine with the russian federation? i would still start with the fact that this decision was prepared for too long, and it gave the russians the opportunity to attack, then such a pause in our capabilities, and they have additional advantages, and it is not just that, it is a period of at least 7 months, and still will be available already at the front... the necessary equipment will still take time, that is, this is something that could not be allowed, but such a situation has developed, we will not discuss the reasons now, because there is a solution, and when it was already done, thanking and we can thank

president joseph biden here, but also the republicans, mitch mcconnell, who was just on your screens, today there were calls from the president of ukraine, to all the leaders of the two... houses in the senate and the house of representatives, this is the right step, not only to thank, but to inform about the situation, about how we will act further, this should be done constantly and continue to do it with the americans, now regarding the signals, the signal is very good, in principle it was already expected even by our enemies and the aggressor, which condemns the entire democratic world. but all the same, i think they had some hope there for changes in the package itself, or maybe a delay even more, so this was a very good signal to the kremlin, to moscow, and also to european partners. i will remind

you that at first, when the situation in the united states with military aid began to sag, it was precisely europe that began to show new initiatives, if only to move faster, realizing that it is possible here ... well, not to get everything from the united states, but vice versa, when europe began to move faster, then washington too had to react, because the ramstein format, well, let's be honest, begged a little, and france and emmanuel macron even convened a meeting in order to hold, if only to replace romstein, new ideas began to appear, now america is back as a leader of this euro-atlantic coalition. which is very broad, does not include only the countries of europe, there is also japan, and, let's say, south korea and our friends from other countries, and the usa, canada, of course, on the american continent, so this is a very good signal of the unity of partners as well

europe and america, which will be fixed already, i think, during the trip, which will be made soon, well soon, it is meant there in a month. will be carried out to europe by joseph biden, i really hope that he will take part in the peace summit, where the ukrainian peace formula and signal will be considered. countries like china, that the us is not backing down, the us is working, the us is helping, and at least it is obvious now that putin's intentions, for this year, they will already be seriously undermined after such a decision, although i want to remind you that all these numbers which are contained in the laws, they still need to be converted into real weapons for... these weapons have now been decided and promised to be delivered to ukraine as soon as possible,

but the next packages, it seems to me, should go faster, without stretching it for a long period, concentrated in this year in order to give an opportunity to transfer the war from such a trench as it is now to a more, possibly maneuverable, as much as possible, different opinions, but one thing is clear for sure that for... now there is a chance not right now, but somewhere in the fall, maybe for the winter of this year, in order to change the current situation. after president biden signed the law, the department of defense of the united states of america announced the allocation of a package of military aid to ukraine with a total cost of 1 billion dollars, and the minister of defense rustem umyerov announced that weapons are provided for in the new. military aid from the united states of america will not reach ukraine in the near future, although

american officials have confirmed that the americans have secretly provided ukraine with ballistic long-range missiles, ukraine has already started using them against russian troops. united states ambassador to ukraine bridget brink reported on the x network that the united states in april provided long-range atakams military tactical missiles to ukraine this month. the united states provided ukraine with long-range attack missiles on the instructions of president joseph biden, this is another signal that our commitment to the defense of ukraine is unwavering, said the ambassador. mr. valeriu, the atakams weapon is enough powerful, quite strong, and scholz obviously, when he keeps talking about the fact that germany is not ready to provide tauris, every time ... looked back at the united states of america, whether this help with these missiles

will be convincing for the germans now, because after biden signed the law, scholz once again said that we, we are not ready yet, when will germany be ready to do the same thing that the united states of america is doing? it is obvious that we need... both these missiles and taurs, this is about defense, it is not about any additional there are strikes on moscow, no, our partners know it, they know it in washington, they also know it in berlin, the position on taurus is currently the personal position of the chancellor of germany, it is, frankly, not shared by everyone in germany, you know, in budestah, many people look at it differently. well, that's the position, at one time, i remember, it was connected with

sending or providing attacks to ukraine, that's what it was said, if you look carefully for this connection, you'll find it, but now it's not said that way , that is, such a connection is public chancellor of germany ol scholz does not announce, and in principle, well, we are talking about the fact that this is explained by the reluctance of escalation there. again, additional, i think that everything has to mature, now we have to, when we evaluate the position of the german chancellor, i think we will continue to talk about it, but we must not forget that germany has also recently decided on several air defense systems, and this is a serious addition to what is there, this is a very good and excellent solution from germany, a quick solution, and it must be noted. that unlike, even the usa, which has very recently joined,

powerful again, germany does not say that they have nothing to replace, they provide it, understanding the need, i think the united states could really think about its air defense systems, after all, one usa patriot is, well, not quite adequately, i think that it would be possible to strengthen this coalition precisely from the side of the united states. which is actually led by germany-france on the air defense system, but there are chances, so there will still be coordination, or the provision of long-range attacks will be encouraged. giving just taurus, well, logically, logically, because i will say one thing, i will remind one thing, it was literally said the other day by national security adviser jake salevan, the president of the united states, that long-range missile attacks are being provided to ukraine after russia used north korea's ballistic missiles, that is, it moved some there, i

don't know what they crossed, some, maybe some agreements... were behind the scenes, or are such red lines considered so simple, because it is strange to connect the provision of missiles absolutely necessary for our defense with some actions there by the russians, but it is so, it was said, by the way, this is evidence that this approach of such a war, controlled escalation, i call it, it has not yet been broken, that is, it has not been broken and no conclusions have been drawn to the end, we hope that after this package of legislation they will be done. because it contains the very important element of 45 days, the white house must provide a strategy for the victory of ukraine and an action plan, corresponding actions even for several years. returning to rockets, i will say that taurus, well, let's not repeat it again now that is, germany knows our needs, germany

is now very seriously involved in helping ukraine. let's hope for a positive decision. only one thing about atakaus: you said: mr. serhiy, that this is a secret decision, yes, that’s how the american cia presented it, that it is secret, in fact, what kind of secret decision can we talk about, if it was on the pentagon website, it was written there, additional there to heimer systems, everything was written in 300 million there was a package, that is, i in general, i’ll tell you honestly, it just surprises me from the very beginning, this transparency that everyone publishes. all the numbers provided, well, not everything is shown, but they are not deciphered, but everyone perfectly reads it, and the enemy reads it, so i am more worried not that it was not officially announced, but now only confirmed, and i am worried why it is so openly there is aid in this war, with these numbers, i understand the report to the tax payers, but why

give all this information to the enemy, it really confuses me, so there was no secrecy. there is simply the right approach, that you don't have to shout to the whole world, the rockets attacked went to ukraine, well, let the enemy look at them, what is already appearing as a matter of fact, it appeared on the front, there are consequences, i found pieces there, that means they appeared, well, absolutely true, at least excessive transparency in the current situation, it can only hinder. yesterday , anthony blinken, the secretary of state of the united states of america, began his visit to beijing, and before his trip to china, both the financial times and bloomberg reported that the secretary of state intended to warn of punitive measures from on the part of the white house, punitive, of course, in quotation marks, if pokin does not stop supplying

russia with military and dual-purpose technologies. wang wenbin of the ministry of foreign affairs of china said that the prc opposes the baseless accusations of the united states of america regarding normal sino-russian trade, well , it says normal sino-russian trade, let's listen to what wang wenbin said. in the ukrainian issue, china took an objective and fair position, made active efforts for... peaceful negotiations and worked for a political settlement. china is neither the one who created the ukrainian crisis, nor is it a party to it. he never added fuel to the fire, never profited from the crisis and will not accept the blame game. we emphasize china's right to normal economic and trade relations with countries

around the world, including russia. mr. valery. this visit by anthony blinken is a month and a half before the start of the global peace summit, is this one of the ways to convince the chinese side to consider the arguments and the ukrainian side and the world community in general regarding the russian-ukrainian war, it is possible to adjust the position of beijing, well , adjust in quotes, it is meant, because for beijing, as you know... there is no aggressor, there are two sides, there is some kind of crisis, they they talk about it all the time, that is, they don't even say the word war, well , first of all... first, the position is dishonest, because i can partially agree with the assessment that we just heard, but what about the un charter, where, by

the way , china was accepted by the people's republic of china with the vote of ukrainian ukraine at the time when it was handed over the place of the republic of china, now taiwan, the people's republic of china, which this spokesman now represents, he forgot that, that is, why not... a balanced position of attitude according to the consequences and sanctions regarding the violation of the un charter, this is a dishonest position of china, it is not balanced today, it is in the direction of russia, and they began to say this openly already in public, this is a public reaction, it is clear that the position, what the united states has voiced, is more open, well, the position of europe is important here, german chancellor olaf scholz went to beijing. they have important relations are bilateral, 256 billion in trade between the countries, i'm not talking about 800 billion in exports to the us and china. if the usa and

europe take this position of china openly, publicly, choose, or you support your vassal russia in illegal aggression against another country, why tell someone fables, who will believe, everyone in the security council knows that the resolution was adopted, russia attacked ukraine. what is china telling, who is it telling? is he telling this to putin to please putin? no, they will not deceive the world. even like this a respectable country as big as china must adhere to the positions and commitments they themselves have taken. therefore, europe and america have to say: either trade with us, or continue to play with russia, and such a situation is brewing. i think after the g7 discussion, after sizenpin's visit to... france, i think that this will become a public component already, and it should not lead to escalation, on the contrary, er, i think that such

a clear position is shared, well it is still not accepted, but it is only on the sidelines, it is discussed behind closed doors, but when is it will come out publicly, and it will be seen that putin is a loser, then china will also be forced to change its position, of course china does not want... to be under pressure, and no one likes it, and of course it is a strong country, it can respond, well i would like china to use its currency , which was used earlier, calmly, not to get involved in such harsh confrontations, to influence, to increase its influence as a soft power, there by economic means, which is more profitable for china, i think. that they will still find this position as more pragmatic. and they will slowly change their approach, but it's not now, i don't see them changing their approaches dramatically. well, as far as i understand, mr.

valery, now both our western partners and putin are trying to convince xijin ping to take one side or the other, or russia is trying to convince not to interfere in the situation that is developing on the russian-ukrainian front. because... for the third time in the last year, he is going to meet with shijin pinim. siy was in moscow last march. in october, putin was in china and again after the so-called inauguration is going to fly to china. and i understand that this is not only a visit that demonstrates that putin is waiting somewhere abroad, well, let's make the first foreign visit to china and move on. to the whole world that after all he is, at least in one country he is welcomed there and not arrested, but what does putin want from xi jinping? china's position

is very serious in this situation, and putin would not be able to continue the war for long if china took a position according to the un charter. well, you see china not only in relation to this. let's say, when voting not to place nuclear components in space, not to prepare such components that can be launched into space, he abstained just on the road safety, russia blocked demonstratively, all countries are in favor, russia is blocking, china is silent, well, the world will not be normal like this develop, and china will not be able to win in this game, because it is necessary to have a reputation for... in order to be a center of influence and develop its influence, how do they want to take the first positions in the future, without reputation, without respect to the country, not only to it

force, but nothing will happen to her behavior, so i think that putin is going not only because, and rather not because he needs to go somewhere, that, well, you are right, that he is not arrested there, and also and the pictures will be beautiful, but all the same he is going, vasal is going to sezoren, well, it’s just clear, by the way, china is already being told this in direct text, it’s something that putin is forced to swallow, what... more to say, but china also silently accepts such a formula, that is, a formula that a vassal or subordinate country under china has already been formed in the world, and therefore, he will go to beg for this additional aid, of course he will ask for more, and there are certain fears in this, i understand the united states, so that china does not actively supply weapons to russia, well, there is...

in principle, sanctions have already been imposed on some companies , which gave pictures from the field from the front, which gave space, i mean pictures, and including there some dual technology, dual purpose, the same chips, but so in general the facts of such evidence that china was supplying equipment there of some kind of equipment , there is no such thing, that's why, in principle, it is being talked about now in the first place. and there are levers of influence, there are levers of influence, really, i don’t think that there is any need to put pressure on, somehow it is necessary to demonstrate the loss of such a position with arguments, and it will be done, i already said, as soon as there are successes on the part of ukraine and our partners, then it will be forced china does not want to change its position, no one wants to be with the losers, and the only thing that china considers strategically, even... and this

russian war against ukraine in the context of rivalry with the united states, first of all, this is openly recorded in documents the usa, in china's documents, well, this is the story that, to be honest, is not very favorable for ukraine either, we have to understand that in this two-polar world, well, obviously we will have to take a position, and this position is understandable. you have already mentioned how in the un security council, when considering the resolution banning nuclear weapons in space, how china sided with russia, i will remind our viewers that russia vetoed the draft resolution of the un security council against the proliferation of weapons, in particular nuclear weapons in outer space, and for the document introduced by japan and the united states

america. 13 out of 15 security council members voted, only russia spoke against, and china abstained. jake sullivan, the national security advisor to the president of the united states of america, said that russia's position in the un security council confirms the suspicions of the united states that russia is developing a new satellite that carries a nuclear device, to quote mr. sullivan. placing a nuclear weapon state in orbit would not only violate the outer space treaty, but would also jeopardize... vital services of communications, science, meteorology, agriculture, commerce and national security that all satellites provide to societies around the world. we have heard putin publicly state that russia has no intention of placing nuclear weapons in space, if that were the case, russia would not have vetoed this resolution. mr. valery, the fact that russia blocked this resolution, does it mean that

putin... is ready to continue playing the game of raising rates and provoking, well, it is meant to invite the american side to negotiations, just to start some negotiations with the united states of america, to begin with talk on equal terms, and in particular regarding the future of space, regarding weapons, nuclear weapons in space, well, i want to say, there is a quote, there is an agreement, yes, yes, it must be implemented, so it is strange that the russian leader is behind the scenes urged the united states not to do this, and when this benju was asked, why are you blocking the resolution in the development of the treaty, he said, and we mean not to put anything in space at all, well, well, that is, as always with them, i'll cover a lie with a lie, maybe it's...