the visa used on those in the notes on the page where i live, mr. king 7 for an aide work is in garza, that'd be in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and that desperately need food can begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of funding for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah, megalunch head of them the wage and refugee council, for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former, diplomatically, was personally involved with a low piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he think this savage was connected? in 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week,

really and, and that we sped for the blood. fos and rough egoless has the power of the rising of garza now ranks among the worst assault from any civilian population. in our time a day. why was the power on the the good stuff before so many was killed? yeah, mega and welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops as being new hope that's the so the aid situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i, i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it, perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the hidden shut it on board, the crossing in the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border

crossings yet. and this, the left of restrictions on, in terms of movement inside the cell, that is red control was completely no, except for rough and the south with their military troops. you mentioned rough uh if they uh, on the slot, if they advance is really advisor, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself for 56 weeks a go. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else. and the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens, all the municipality of us know where i live. these people have fled

to 34, or 5 times. most of them, they have nowhere else to go because they are not free, and 2 is rent from where their ancestors paid. nor can they go into egypt. so the trap that it could, they don't know if they could, 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's it's, it's a horrific thing. it would be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's and it's want to humanity to have. it will enter refuge account, but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian and fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food insecurity. there are no quick fixes to that of the, you know,

very quick ones except that this is, there are hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board, across things in the north, to the common stricken north tomorrow every day that you have times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the i'm at manmade departments from 8 years that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is a payment made by it was and made by a brocade that is rather has some post on the in us and does sense that, that not to the lodge, to the, to the 99 percent. not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october. britain's father secretary david cameron said last week,

what we were told was previously impossible event by the israelis suddenly became possible. i started port and the air is crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through kara shuttle. um, um you see right. uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of heart on the israeli side. when i think finally the united states read even german and to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on the as really war machine to be paid according to, to the last a war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes to promises that the port stop would open, the boat across, things would open. they haven't so far. that has been more trucks coming. all the

car room shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that or were fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this, the odds for this, the bones or this in discriminant sold on the gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries. they need need to really accept some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on top of the indiscriminate. we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to the of a riff it attacks on the 7th of october. you seem to be citing the western

countries which are on the one that and supplying um, southern america, i'm calling for then to the, the fighter you or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that you view? uh, yeah, yeah. they uh, it, it, they all seen that super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and, and the plummeting of apartment houses and the turning off for electricity and water is that really bad in your credit. as we will only agree, but it's somehow overall, but what is what it's doing the same. that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it progress. see, what i would say is that they have been on its own thing, lee, and put that in the pro. the save yourself a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that

the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th the last yeah they, they know that we went not allowed access to to gossip as we stood as human at terry. and i want them my sons and left us to the us administration and to be you in mid october. that if they allowed is red, which is a lick your intent to controlling the port, the crossings completely with the military stop. it would never work in terms of your minutes are not. so they knew all of this and the did very electric, but they continued to pride offs or all of us. what was their response? when you gave them this morning, will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got the answers, they said, when we take it for granted, that this reality is, is following the,

the rules of what a warrior meant is having a law of on conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told up, but you must see your so that not listening and upset sometimes to me it's like putting your fingerprints or over a crime scene. if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place one apartment, house 1000000000 for not comedies is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic impotence as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, we didn't, yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think that was strategic

mistake of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having border sympathy with the united states, everybody and then licked the ballot beeper so that there was water boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with these horrific organizations. the same thing, they must have foreseen when they went to as well. and so what we order for that thing was to grow some, a mazda attack on the, on the is radius. have been in population then and i, i have come then those to say no, this was an operation in guest of to patient. this was legitimate that it costs or

what or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women children concert. go go was, i'm a saint kid but says it was horrific and come down about it. but, but then to, to go that and say, what behind whatever you do that was basically the message then that then the sort came and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we'd like to start as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children any $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as defenders? no, no. it's poppy on legitimate self defense and energy costs as well as a right. so it depends. that's what on, on those west and lead to providing um sites, it's legitimate subject but and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was that have been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made a mess visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of this right of by the way, with ministers who have said things that, that are on the really they said we will make basically gusta on livable. we will change does have completely we will not let in food. we will not let in electricity, we will not let in, in,

in water. that's what they sent early on. many, many minutes or so. i'll cut it become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was but i have never be confronted by anything like this. what, what was the vase that confronted you and left such an abiding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that don't know that unique. i've also been a relate to the shot to don for that and met the 10s of

thousands of people up for let the abject or risk of death who ensued don mass of sexual it violence massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak, golf and i would be beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done. now, ben garza, so what's unique about casa is number one, there is no escape. there is no chunk or full or opponent or lebanon, or the palestinians trapped inside it, densely populated area. and that's the other one. i mean, they, they, this is densely populated without escape. sadly, it's a more, inc, and it's on boardman in this smart place. then in, in the place and, and,

and recent memory. and then, then lack of adequate access for you, minute, terrans, to assist them. not because of lack of resources. because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general has don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places what's been countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually a language. but even without that being aligned with is riley policy. even without that,

you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering aid to god. so you said, i would say to the countries like the you can us, why haven't they organized around them come voice in the gaza. they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods. the border international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pay turned up at the border with the aid. i'm not that good, lied spears writers to let them in or going across the different border with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey, eh, is red, are you going to bump this us, you take german con, void that is going with fruit and other human to them relief that we ran. so this

red monitor ourselves, of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example, tim in, in syria there is an area controlled by by on deposition groups. some of them all the names of a character, perhaps that would be almost uh, it may be just a slamming uh groups. uh, one of them which the legions do i tell you that some? yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from turkey. and there is a un security resolution and enabling that, and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it, the, the, the, the, the aid strauss very well. and it's not like they are asking us thought big the,

the syrian government in, in damascus, spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they didn't. when you ask them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is the interesting to control every single the low that goes across the board even from, from egypt. so, so, well i'm so type really we wait where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that i mean that, that's i bought by it by also by, by that the, i mean, i mean not a single. the truck goes from egypt into directory and to gaza. without its having been monitored by us really pulses in the, in the, you know, on, on the as really side of the board. uh, its uh, the re, we have uh, you should go and see it set line to come in the line to come in the queue

to be monitored and, and let it go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks. to go to uh to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it says it said it has been a different system from day one. yeah. very good. and where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months more violence most suffering. i . i really think them it will, it, we, we, we will not have this as short or red, but as 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we all sped for the blood off in rough up, but then we may have less attention and the ruling casa,

that needs on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked that most people with, well, i think, want to leave that, that's what they told me when i was there this the fight this the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that wouldn't be too late to resources for the rebuilding my organization that we serve refuge account. so has been charged by leading b plus double organization responsible for that. hosting. you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes. destroyed. what damage on, but oh sion more than that it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now,

one people will still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign? i that'd be robust. egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them. do you believe those rules or what i have, what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild. gosh, saw that, that may now even be, be colonized by this plus or celebrate thing in this run. the that what is happening and there, and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the, from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is

a given, one of this can be reversed and i hope that is well that needs to have recognition, needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremists as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us. right, what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want this right to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors, that has to be a completely different the product policy problem is from you a pro se involved with the piece talks that lead to the goals level codes between israel and the palestinians, and in 1993, a quotes which ultimately failed to bring

a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call the? yeah i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of a believe the ship. of course an extreme is to happen. it's positions and is run and uh, and then on the policy in the side they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of civilians. uh the policy and administration is very weak and old. and so what i, what i hope is the fact that b is, is randy or lifting establishment will recognize that their

ways have been counter productive for the future of use for it. i hope that on the policy and that side, there is a recognition that we need to be united thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly, we need the united states, we need the european union and we need the gulf congress and n a and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in pa, string for a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell as it is. would it be in take the burden and unwilling to find a common church? are you getting any sleep these days? is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to?

i wonder what the effect is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i i, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my hope to. yes, i said you were mandatory and what get because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us so that their a t s level adults or gone down an international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive, nor effective, nor efficient. and by the way, not giving up hope you have a good, like we have to leave it the thank you so much for being on coverage, so appreciate your time. thank you. the

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